Posted on 12/09/2005 6:00:20 PM PST by jb6
9 Dec 2005, 16:40 GMT - Mr Putin apparently feels that the changing political and economic climate in Ukraine means that the country is increasingly able to pay market prices for Russian gas. Mr Putin's comments will widely be seen as evidence of a hardening of Moscow's attitude to Kiev in the aftermath of the 'Orange Revolution' that brought a pro-western government to power in Ukraine.
However, the Russian news agency Itar-Tass quoted Mr Putin as saying that the ongoing dispute over gas prices would not sour relations between the two countries.
Whether that proves to be the case in the longer term remains to be seen however. Reports suggest that Ukraine may respond to the gas price hike by markedly increasing the rent Russia pays to lease military land around the Black Sea port of Sevastapol.
Kiev has also threatened to tap into a pipeline sending Russian gas to Europe without Moscow's permission in a bid to source the gas it requires. Ukrainian authorities are said to favor a gradual increase in the price it pays to Gazprom for imports, rather than the immediate near-threefold increase
So the Orange Soros "revolutionaries" not only demand special discounts while spitting in Russia's eye but are showing themselves to be outright thieves willing to steal what they can't buy, now that they've managed to sink their economy through socialist measures. Very typical.
The government the Orange party folks replaced weren't exactly sweethearts, you know. They were stooges of the Kremlin, which isn't exactly pro-US if you haven't noticed.
The Orange party is going to lose in the next election.
Thanks to Putin!
It is the three way battle... the 1st wayers (Classical liberalism) (The US, UK, taiwan, India, Israel), the Second wayers (Communism) (China, CIS/Russia, client states), and the Third Way (Elite one world Governmentalism) (W. Europe, Soros types).
Sad to say that Russia falls in position #2.
Yeah, that's why they sent 1,300 troops to Iraq and the Orange "pro-West" (not to be confused with pro-American) are pulling them out. Or we can all just believe what the MSM tells us.
But then again, those folks who were replaced had a GDP growth rate of 12.7%, these guys 3.8% after implementing pro-West policies like 20% tax increases, 90% minimal wage increases (resulting in 17% inflation), closing small business tax breaks and driving several thousand small businesses out of business but the best is setting low price caps on oil, gas, natural gas, meat, milk, grains, etc causing nation wide shortages. Yup, very "pro-West" if by West you define it as Chirac, Hitlery, etc.
Your post is a bit disconcerting to me. I see the Ukrainians (a people that were hard pressed by the communists) as ones trying to modernize, screw Putin! If Soro's want to help let him.
Yup that all powerful Putin made the Orange idiots follow socialist programs. Yup, we can blame everything on Putin, he's all powerful, he even put the ants in your picnic.
yeah, there you go again, as expected. Well, we're still waiting for a definition of communism from you and how Putin's policies are pro communist. And please, this time, try not to pull up photos of old WW2 memorials or victory day celebrations as proof.
The simple fact is, these pro-West revolutions are all socialists running on gullible US support.
Europe is heading down the slippery slope again.
So you enjoyed Soro's help in the last elections here? After all he was just trying to help bring "democracy" to America.
They are bad from BOTH sides. Soros is bad, Putin is bad (Communist or not)
What's said is how many "conservatives" here on FR are happy about it. They are so blind with hatred for the Russians they have no quams about 47 million in Ukraine getting sucked down into socialism....as long as it's "pro-West" even when it's against America. Stupid is as stupid does.
Answer the question posted if you're going to throw around big words. Is this going to be the third thread you'll dodge the bullet?
Tell me another story grampa, this one about the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc.
Anatoliy Golitsyn's "The Perestroika Deception", Putin's past, Russia's failure to reject it's communist past, no major shake up within the Russian military (hardliners rule the roost), Putin's behavor, who putin had promoted to Deputy Prime minister, Lenin is still on display and Putin could bury him at will, Russia's arms buildup, Russian arms sales to unfriendly countries at cut throat prices, High tech weapons sales to China, Venezuela IRAN and Syria, I could go on and on...
You disqualified yourself right from the start. Golitsyn was a hack that cost the CIA a lot of lost effort.
As for the rest, your list of complaints were shot down yesterday. Now explain how in your mind communist actions are defined by flat income taxes, death of the sales tax, shrinking of government, low corporate taxes, private property rights, trial by jury, Christian education in the public school.
Maybe you never figured out that US Conservatives stand for that and if you don't this is not the forum for you. There are plenty of Golitsyn conspiracy forums out there to join.
Putin could bury him at will,
Really? Well with 43% of the population flat out against it, he'd have to act like a dictator not an elected official. But that's what you already accuse him of.
Russian arms sales to unfriendly countries at cut throat prices
Oh, you mean like Saudi Arabia? Like Pakistan? Like Egypt? Like the KLA?
High tech weapons sales to China
Yeah and all we do is sell China our souls and give them everything and all our tech. Nice example we set while demanding others live by a higher double standard.
Well Kill Me a Kulak - jb6 has written another Ukrainian bashing post to blow smoke while the Kremlin continues its despotic ways.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-russia6dec06,0,457655.story?coll=la-home-oped
You can try but I think the Kulak will send you to where the sun don't shine. By comments bash the leftists socialist scum that runs Ukraine, the Soros scum you climb in bed with every chance you get. Go buy a flee collar, you'll need it.
"tap into a pipeline"?
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