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John McCain: "Christian Guard at Hua Lo Prison", "helped me understand power of my faith"
amazon.com ^ | December 2005 | John McCain

Posted on 12/10/2005 5:49:29 PM PST by freedomdefender

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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
McCain had a photographer follow him to Arlington National Cemetary and then used the photos in his campaign.

It's against the law and when he was caught he claimed not to have know it was against the law.....cough, cough.

51 posted on 12/10/2005 7:35:56 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: cricket

Yes, he could be a spoiler, and there may be little we can do to prevent that.

The one slim hope would be to express such hostility toward McCain that he is driven even further to the left, thereby appealing only to Rats and spoiling the election for Hitlery, not for us.


52 posted on 12/10/2005 7:38:43 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: paudio

Yeah, sorta like Algore.


53 posted on 12/10/2005 7:42:23 PM PST by Modok
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To: CommandoFrank

I believe it too.
Vietnam was largely Catholic.


54 posted on 12/10/2005 7:43:35 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Wait a minute, maybe this could account for the fact that McInsane came out of the camp heavier than when he went in?





That's not true at all.


55 posted on 12/10/2005 7:44:44 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: paudio

McInsane and Dusty Harry tag teamed to dis POW and MIA families during hearings in late 80 or early 90....I've never forgotten. At one time, I had the transcripts. And several nasty letters between myself and Harry (he was my senator, then)I have despised McLame for a very long time..


56 posted on 12/10/2005 7:47:53 PM PST by Jrabbit (Kaufman County, Texas)
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To: freedomdefender

I'll bet it's seared, just seared into his memory.


57 posted on 12/10/2005 7:48:19 PM PST by doesnt suffer fools gladly (Merry Christmas!)
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To: California Patriot
The one slim hope would be to express such hostility toward McCain that he is driven even further to the left, thereby appealing only to Rats and spoiling the election for Hitlery, not for us.

That. . .or we start making a case against 'short' Presidents. . . ;^)

58 posted on 12/10/2005 7:50:06 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: OldFriend
It's against the law and when he was caught he claimed not to have know it was against the law.....cough, cough.

My recollection of that event was that he was told in advance. . .no photos - did it/used them anyway. . .

(Or was that algore. . .or Kerry. . .) Whatever; Libs certainly have a admirable 'MO'. . .

59 posted on 12/10/2005 7:55:23 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: cricket
Definitely McCain involved in taking illegal photos to use in his campaign..at Arlington National Cemetary.

The man is already exploiting his POW status, similar to the gigolo and his VN 'service'.

60 posted on 12/10/2005 7:57:13 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: strategofr
Well, you know, if they have to ask you if you're getting special treatment or not--- you're getting it.

What line of work was daddy in?

61 posted on 12/10/2005 7:59:20 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: onyx
I saw the videos of the POW's being released from VN. McCain was quite thin even after they POW's were given good treatment in advance of their release.

Not sure how the story about his weight gain got started.

However, I am unwilling to give the man any slack at all. He betrayed the men left behind after his release.

62 posted on 12/10/2005 7:59:43 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: OldFriend


Incoming FR mail but give me a minute or two.


63 posted on 12/10/2005 8:01:43 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Both his father and grandfather were Admirals in the US Navy.


64 posted on 12/10/2005 8:05:44 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: freedomdefender
It never ceases to amaze me about the number of loonies we have serving in the United States Senate, McCain included.....

Swimmer Kennedy

All broken bones McCain

Little boys Frank

'My husband did not rape that woman Jaunita' Hillary

Jumpin Jim

John, what's his name who claimed to have served in Vietnam

The lady who feels that Osama was a wunderful guy who built day care centers for tiny tots

And many, many more.....

For God's sake, these are supposed to be our leaders BUT it sure seems to me that they are losers.......

65 posted on 12/10/2005 8:06:45 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: TheSpottedOwl

"What line of work was daddy in?"

It was his dad or uncle. I think an admiral or a Senator.


66 posted on 12/10/2005 8:10:40 PM PST by strategofr
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To: onyx

If it's not true, why have so many people mentioned this, among other disturbing things about him? Scroll up and read about his little photo op at Arlington National Cemetary.


67 posted on 12/10/2005 8:12:09 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: OldFriend
The man is already exploiting his POW status, similar to the gigolo and his VN 'service'.

And dthe same people who were impressed by Kerry. . .are impressed by McCain. . .

I hope the Repubs do not wait too long to get the truth of McCain. . .whatever it is. . .up and out for public scrutiny; and well before the 'season'.

They just need to do it subtlely and with 'good taste'. . .

68 posted on 12/10/2005 8:14:40 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Hatred for McCain has bred a whole lot of lies, and the weight lie is a whopper. Ted Samplely (something like "Sampley") is one of the original smear artists.


69 posted on 12/10/2005 8:15:47 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: CommandoFrank

I think more people doubt the intent of the release of the story, then the story itself. Though given the character etch he's created for himself it's not surprising his account is being considered questionable as well.


70 posted on 12/10/2005 8:19:18 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: OldFriend
. . .I am unwilling to give the man any slack at all. He betrayed the men left behind after his release.

Pretty 'plain and simple'. . .

I remember his wife going on television; campaigning for his release; how hard she worked 'for' him and the other POW's. . .

Am wondering if part of her divorce decree, required 'silence'. . .

71 posted on 12/10/2005 8:23:50 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: BinaryBoy
It is a great story and when a politician comes up with a story like this I always doubt the truth behind it....boy I really do not like that feeling of cynicism when it comes to our elected
72 posted on 12/10/2005 8:29:16 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: strategofr; onyx

Thanks. I didn't know. His kinfolk must be rolling in their graves.


73 posted on 12/10/2005 8:30:36 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: onyx

Okay, since no one has provided a legitimate source for the weight gain, I'll file it as a rumor. Understand that I took John McCain at face value for years, thanks to MSM. Heck, I knew they were lying half the time, but until I got online, I didn't know how bad they were lying.

Does Ted Sampley have a motive to smear McCain?


74 posted on 12/10/2005 8:39:45 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; onyx

You're welcome.


McCain's father and grandfather were both four-star admirals in the U.S. Navy...

http://www.answers.com/topic/john-mccain


75 posted on 12/10/2005 8:51:06 PM PST by strategofr
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To: CommandoFrank

I don't like him at all but I seem to remember reading this story elsewhere a good while ago. It's possible, northern Vietnam had many Catholics at one time.


76 posted on 12/10/2005 9:20:28 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: stm

McCain as a Christian? Anybody remember this nutjob's words against us in the 2000 primaries?

He just took a focus group. Don't believe this guy or his media pals.


77 posted on 12/10/2005 9:24:48 PM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: strategofr

What would his daddy and grandpa think of their boy, John?

Four star admirals, and this is how it ends...


78 posted on 12/10/2005 9:35:44 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thanks for the ping!


79 posted on 12/10/2005 9:47:00 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: freedomdefender; All

Maybe his "faith" is what helped him in being about the ONLY POW who came out of his "Hanoi Hilton " stay not appearing to have eaten off the same "hotel restaurant menu" as the others.....


80 posted on 12/10/2005 10:00:20 PM PST by musicman
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To: freedomdefender
We both stood looking at his work for a minute until he rubbed it out and walked away."

Did you rat him out?

81 posted on 12/10/2005 10:01:28 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: freedomdefender
I heard Rush say today that McCain admitted to giving up information as a reslut of being tortured.

And now McCain says we shouldn't torture terrorists because it doesn't work.

Put that guy in a rubber room.

82 posted on 12/10/2005 10:04:05 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Texas Eagle
And now McCain says we shouldn't torture terrorists because it doesn't work."""

US intelligence services have traditionally said that torture doesn't yield reliable "confessions" and information -- i.e., it doesn't work.

But in any case, the reason we shouldn't torture is because torture is for regimes like North Vietnam - the animals who caged our military men and treated them inhumanely. The military of the United States - the military founded by Washington, and led by the likes of Grant, Pershing, MacArthur, Eisenhower -- does not torture. McCain is against torture, I hope and believe, because it is wrong and it would dishonor this nation and our noble military.

83 posted on 12/10/2005 10:09:29 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Have you actually read about how the United States tortures jihadists? From the look of your posts, the clear answer is a resounding NO.

But other freepers have so we can enlighten you. The forms of "torture" that we've used include sleep deprivation, playing music loudly, etc. The absolute WORST torture I've seen mentioned anywhere is light punching in the stomach.

And at least you've dropped the claims that torture doesn't work because McCain in his autobiography admits that it worked on him.


84 posted on 12/11/2005 3:55:00 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: OldFriend

I remember kerry did the same thing at the wall ( he was also told it was not authorized)after he had included in his book that he would not join vfw,partipate in parades,rallies anything to show support to american military and then had those same pics used in a campaign ad shameless ;liz cheney had it right "he will say and do anything"


85 posted on 12/11/2005 4:10:14 AM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: Jrabbit

don't ever forget,never in a 1000 yrs. and then he labeled the families as shrills and opportunists;his efforts enabled Kerry's cousin to secure a lucrative, sole contract to rebuild vietnam's ports. I wonder how much of a kickback he got ,deny him the presidency just like the swifties revealed the vietnam war hero "frenchy kerry"


86 posted on 12/11/2005 4:15:27 AM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I am sure his father is ashamed of him, just as Henry (and even Peter) Fonda were of Hanoi Jane. Henry retired from the Naval Reserves a Captain (0-6).


87 posted on 12/11/2005 5:13:20 AM PST by stm
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To: freedomdefender
You should have included "B.S. ALERT"in the title.
88 posted on 12/11/2005 5:21:29 AM PST by SMM48
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To: dubyawhoiluv
I think I heard that the Swift Boat Vets are going to be speaking the truth about McCain.

Which explains why he came out against them the moment they spoke the truth about Kerry.

89 posted on 12/11/2005 6:59:06 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Luke21
Guess McCain thinks the Christian Coalition will be forgetting his endless rants against them.

He has now joined Christie Whitman's PAC and they're main focus is the complaint that the Christian Coalition has taken over the republican party.

Guess he hopes they're too stupid to notice he's on Whitman's PAC board.

90 posted on 12/11/2005 7:03:16 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Initially McCain said he gave up ship positions in exchange for medical treatment as soon as he was captured.


91 posted on 12/11/2005 7:04:15 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: onyx
You can find one lie to discredit all of McCain's evil doings but it's just not going to wash.

He betrayed the POWs left behind in VN.

His blaming of the Christian Coalition for his loss in the primaries, and various other backstabbing of our President does not give him the high moral ground.

Nothing 'Christian' about McCain's lack of principles.

92 posted on 12/11/2005 7:07:12 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: OldFriend; The Mayor
Hmmmm. Looks like McCain has been reading Solzhenitsyn.

From The Mayor's daily posts at FR's Finest and The Canteen from the devotional "Our Daily Bread" comes Sunday's reading...

World-famous Russian author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was sent to a Siberian prison because he criticized communism. Languishing there under intolerable conditions year after year, he decided to end his life. But suicide, he firmly believed, would be against God's will. He thought it would be better for a guard to shoot him.

So at a public assembly of the prisoners, he sat in a front row, planning to get up and walk toward an exit, compelling a guard to kill him. But to his surprise, another prisoner sat down, blocking his exit. That unknown man leaned over and, to Solzhenitsyn's astonishment, drew a cross on the dirt floor.

The cross! Wondering if that fellow prisoner might be a messenger from God, Solzhenitsyn resolved to endure his imprisonment. There in prison he became a Christian and was eventually set free to bear witness to the world.

Are you in the grip of difficult circumstances? Have you wondered if life is worth living? Focus your heart on the cross—it is the message of God's love, forgiveness, and saving grace for you. Invite the Christ of Calvary with His transforming power into your life. Discover for yourself that the Christ of the cross can change you. —Vernon Grounds

The cross is my hope for eternity—
No merit have I of my own;
The shed blood of Christ my only plea—
My trust is in Jesus alone. —Christiansen
© Renewal 1949 by Singspiration Inc.

Calvary's cross is the only bridge to eternal life.

93 posted on 12/11/2005 9:31:36 AM PST by Diver Dave
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To: Peach

You don't mention "waterboarding."


94 posted on 12/11/2005 9:31:43 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

But I knew you would.

And since you are so unenlightened, I'm relatively certain you don't know that our OWN soldiers are subjected to waterboarding when they go through basic training. It's to teach them how to withstand tough questioning in the even they are captured.

But nice try anyway, churchillbuff.


95 posted on 12/11/2005 9:33:36 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
But nice try anyway, """

What do you mean, "nice try"? Is waterboarding something you would allow? I consider it torture; so do many others, in the military and congress. The fact that our troops are trained to experience it - in case they're tortured by captors who adopt uncivilized tactics -- is hardly an argument for the United States of America to stoop to such tactics. Definitely it's something that should be outlawed by a measure such as McCain's, if that's what's required to outlaw it. Waterboarding was introduced, as I understand, during the 16th century wars of religion, as one of the options to using the to the rack on heretics.

96 posted on 12/11/2005 9:42:10 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Diver Dave

Isn't that interesting... Hmmm....


97 posted on 12/11/2005 9:45:11 AM PST by The Mayor ( As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home everyday.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

"Four star admirals, and this is how it ends..."

Yep. Kind of sad..


98 posted on 12/11/2005 10:07:28 AM PST by strategofr
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To: churchillbuff

Oh, okay. So waterboarding should be outlawed. For our troops and the terrorists. I'll give you that -- if it's outlawed for our troops, then outlaw it for the terrorists. But otherwise, forget it.


99 posted on 12/11/2005 10:29:19 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

waterboarding is much too nice when we’re dealing with murderous barbarians. we are up against scumbags that will do anything to kill us and you want to bring a pocket knife to a gunfight?? if it would prevent another terrorist attack on our country, i would support even keelhauling. get real, this is not comic books....


100 posted on 08/18/2008 10:45:18 AM PDT by savant9
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