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Pastor defends decision to close church on Christmas
AP ^ | 12/11/05 | AP

Posted on 12/11/2005 8:58:32 PM PST by Pikamax

LEXINGTON, Ky. - The senior minister at central Kentucky's largest church defended a decision to not offer services there on Christmas Sunday and responded to mounting criticism.

The Rev. Jon Weese praised the decision of elders at Southland Christian Church during a service Saturday and said they "chose to value families. People over policy."

Weese has heard from hundreds of Christians across the nation protesting the closure, Southland officials said. Preaching before a crowd of about 1,150, Weece said the full story hasn't been heard.

"I was deeply saddened by the knee-jerk response of the Christian community as a whole to give the benefit of the doubt to the media and not a church or a Christian brother. I'm still troubled that more Christians did not stand up for us," said Weece. "Can you see or begin to see that the devil is stirring the pot on this?"

The backlash came after the Lexington Herald-Leader reported that Southland and other megachurches in Illinois, Michigan, Georgia and Texas would not hold worship services on Dec. 25.

Standing on a stage decorated with 15 artificial Christmas trees, Weece downplayed the significance of the day.

"Christmas began as a pagan holiday to the Roman gods, and if we were to really celebrate the historical birth of Jesus, it would either be in early January or mid-April," Weece said. "I'm only pointing out the historical technicalities not out of intellectual arrogance, but again because of the illogical, ill-informed and even hypocritical arguments that were aimed at me this past week."

Weece also said that the church technically would be worshipping every Sunday in December.

Referring to Christianity's Jewish roots, he said that Sunday begins at sundown on Saturday according to biblical tradition.

Weece noted that Jesus also was criticized for breaking tradition. "There were some whose zeal even in the days of Jesus was misguided," he said. "They emphasized religion over relationship."

Worshippers applauded Weece several times during the service and gave him a standing ovation at one point.

"It's absolutely appalling that he and this church have been treated this way," church receptionist Olivia Byrne said after the service.


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To: Pikamax

It's indefensible.


21 posted on 12/11/2005 9:48:24 PM PST by bigsigh
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Another sign that even for most Christians, Christmas is more about the presents and the secular holiday than about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.


22 posted on 12/11/2005 9:48:42 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Pikamax
"Christmas began as a pagan holiday to the Roman gods, and if we were to really celebrate the historical birth of Jesus, it would either be in early January or mid-April," Weece said."

This pastor is no more a Christian than the man in the moon. How could Christmas have begun as a pagan holliday, pagans didn't worship Christ?

What this phoney "Christian" is trying to sell us with his word-smithing is that Dec. 25th was once a pagan holiday, hence if the Church later decided to choose this date to celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, then "Christmas began as a pagan holiday". It's a satanic play on words. Christmas began as the celebration of Christ's birth.....and nothing else. Now, it doesn't matter if Dec. 25th was once celebrated as a Martian holiday, all that matters today is that Dec. 25th is accepted date in Chrisitianity that we celebrate our Lord's birth. If this clown knows the actual day that Jesus was born, then please let us all know, otherwise just go away. May his phoney "church" remain closed on Christmas Day, and forever.

23 posted on 12/11/2005 9:50:19 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Pikamax

Our church is holding a very limited service on Christmas Day for those who absolutely feel that they can't miss it. There are families who told me that they weren't planning on coming who I thought wouldn't have missed church unless they were dying in the hospital.

What with Christmas Eve service AND church on Sunday, when is there time to celebrate the holiday, open gifts, and spend time with the family? I'm a Christain but for as often as Christmas lands on a Sunday, I vote to cancel church. I doubt anyone's going to hell over it and missing one week of church isn't going to be that detrimental to one's spirituality.


24 posted on 12/11/2005 9:50:50 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: clee1

I think my problem with this "church" would have began with the 15 Christmas trees on the podium... And how many of 'em are on the "the leftist are taking Christ out of Christmas" bandwagon???


25 posted on 12/11/2005 9:54:55 PM PST by chadwimc
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To: Pikamax
This response reminds me of when I call my 10 year old on something and she says, "You're so mean." There is no good arguement or excuse in this statement. Since when does a yearly celebration take precedence over keeping the Sabbath holy. "I'm sorry, I can't be bothered to be in church because in the spirit of consumerism, I have to be home ripping open presents and gorging myself." This is aposty. When I was growing up, church was family time.
26 posted on 12/11/2005 9:57:40 PM PST by pops88
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To: metmom
I doubt anyone's going to hell over it and missing one week of church isn't going to be that detrimental to one's spirituality.

..... there is always a reason to miss church. The thing that is most important is that you DO miss church. Any and all reasons will be good to do just that. In fact you or anybody that you can influence will be assured of not going to hell if they miss church.

Because the most important thing is not going to church..... it's about what you feel. The most important thing in the world isn't found in church or what is said in church or even what is learned in church.... right? It's about spending time with your family, opening presents, eating a good meal, watching a football game, playing with the kids, laughing with long lost relatives... not the hour you will spend thanking the Lord for all the things that were made in his name, and that in the very end is his to begin with.

I don't have to go to church, I need to go.... if only to pray for my pathetic attempts to be a Christian and to thank the big guy upstairs for his grace in allowing me the opportunity to honor him.

One hour over a whole weekend.... that's all. I waste more time surfing the 'net or waiting between meals or looking at the pregame or sleeping in late.

It's all about what "going to church" is to you. In fact it's not even about how it appears to your friends or family..... it's our time to "drink the water" and refresh ourselve.

Merry Christmas.

27 posted on 12/11/2005 10:13:12 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Pikamax
The senior minister at central Kentucky's largest church defended a decision to not offer services there on Christmas Sunday...

Me thinks the parrishoners will quit attending and go elsewhere. We would. And we were on the Board of Session in our Church for 10 years.

28 posted on 12/11/2005 10:13:13 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Pikamax

Guess what, Willow Creek in Barrington (Chicagoland) is also canceling church for Christmas. Couldn't they at least have a super-simple service instead of the production that would put many small theatre companies to shame?


29 posted on 12/11/2005 10:15:32 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Pikamax
Merry Christmas!
30 posted on 12/11/2005 10:16:35 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Give my blankets to my buddies and the fleas to Diamond Joe.)
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To: drlevy88
Guess what, Willow Creek in Barrington (Chicagoland) is also canceling church for Christmas. Couldn't they at least have a super-simple service instead of the production that would put many small theatre companies to shame?

I agree, why not have at least something, for those who desire to attend church? And who knows, you may find some unbelievers that would come to your church, because it is Christmas Day and Sunday, and they might just find the 'truth' in the real meaining of Christmas.

31 posted on 12/11/2005 10:27:27 PM PST by rawhide
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To: stinkerpot65
"Christmas is a nice little tradition, and I love it,"

Yeah, a "nice little tradition" that has been celebrated ever since Jesus was born, and has been celebrated on Dec. 25th for nearly 1,700 years.

"but it's not biblical."

Christmas is the celebration of Jesus Christ's birth, and you're claiming the celebration of His birth isn't biblical? This is a simply amazing statement, please read below and find out just how wrong you are.

The Angel Gabriel rejoices when he announces to Mary that she will give birth to the Saviour.

"---the angel Gabriel was sent from God---to a virgin--and the virgin's name was Mary. He said to her, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!" ---behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High--- and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever;---therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God". (Luke 1: 26-35)

Elizabeth, the Virgin Mary's cousin, and the child in her own womb, (John the Baptist), both celebrated the advent of Jesus Christ when Mary entered their home with the Child Jesus in her womb.

"In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to (visit) the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe (John the Baptist) leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, (Jesus)!--- For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy". (Luke 1: 39 - 44).

The Angelic Host come to earth to celebrate with great joy the birth of Jesus Christ.

And the angel said to them---I bring you good news of a great joy which will come to all the people; for to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. ---And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men with whom he is pleased!" (Luke 2: 8 - 14).

Three Kings from foreign lands travel far to come celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

"When they (three Kings) had heard Herod they went their way; and lo, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came to rest over the place where the child Jesus was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy; and going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. (Mathew 2: 9 - 11)

32 posted on 12/11/2005 10:42:49 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Capriole
"If he says there are serious logistical problems with managing a Christmas Sunday service, he knows more about running a big church than I do."

"Serious logistical problems"? Time to find a new church, I'd say. Imagine if the Apostles put their mission on hold due to 'serious logistical problems'? How many times was Paul shipwrecked, stoned, arrested, beaten and thrown out of town to spread the gospel?

33 posted on 12/11/2005 10:47:24 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Pikamax
There's nothing new about Evangelical Christian Churches being closed on Christmas. Since Evangelical Christian Churches believe that the people are the CHURCH and NOT the Building. AND that the BIRTH, DEATH, and RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ is celebrated every day in a believer's heart and in the coming together for communion and other occasions. The emphasis of these Churches has always been on the FAMILY...and that time on Christmas Morning by our Traditions not religious beliefs holds a magical place. The Believers are present any time the doors are open. I've attended this particular Church and the ministry is awesome. They have small groups and family meetings, they have lessons, Bible Studies, Prayers...they are in no way forsaking the assembling of themselves together. This silliness is being pushed by people who never have understood the very personal family relationship of Evangelical Christians with Jesus. Jesus is always the honored Guest at the head of the table at all meals whether fancy Holiday ones that the world notices or the daily soup & sandwich head out the door to class ones that the world ignores. To a Christian, Jesus is right there in the Center of the Home and the Center of their Lives. The Church Building is a convenience NOT a necessity. The Church is the family of believers and you can count on the fact that they will be gathered at huge dining tables praising the Lord, watching the children open presents, and Praying for the Soldiers and for Our Country. Shame on people, who until two days ago, were just annoyed that they might not be able to keep Merry Christmas out of the School Play this year...so they decided to find fault with something they obviously know very little about.AND if you are going to discuss their being closed on Christmas Day...at least provide information on the additiona special programs added these fews weeks before Christmas, including the Saturday Services that many Churches will also be holding... I'm not sure what Southland's schedule is...but if a non-believer needs to speak with someone on Sunday...I'm sure the Pastor and Elders & many, many others, have open seating in their dining rooms...and good cooking too.
34 posted on 12/11/2005 11:05:53 PM PST by SergeantsLady (I support my soldier by supporting the mission he believes in...Iraqi Freedom.)
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To: TheCrusader

The date is apocryphal, at best.


35 posted on 12/11/2005 11:09:01 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Pikamax
Not to offend but: The Rev. Jon Weese praised the decision of elders at Southland Christian Church during a service Saturday and said they "chose to value families. People over policy."
is a heaping crock of horsesh*t.

36 posted on 12/11/2005 11:15:07 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: rawhide

How hard is it for a Pastor to just ask how many are going to come on Christmas Day?? If no-one plans to come then its solved, if some come, then make sure its open.


38 posted on 12/11/2005 11:20:33 PM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: TheCrusader

Feeding crowds with one fish and a loaf of bread was a "logistical problem" too.


39 posted on 12/11/2005 11:22:30 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Capriole
He said it just wasn't possible to round up this volunteer staff on Christmas morning when people wanted to be with their children and could not be constrained to appear as paid employees could be.
Do I buy his argument? Well, in fifteen years I've never found this man to engage in untruths or half-truths.

You have now. In the past week, I've been to functions at 3 megachurches of 2 denominations. The first, 20,000+ members SBC - the pastor made sure to work in an invitation that they would be operating Christmas day. The second, a smaller SBC with I would guess about 4000 members - also let it be known they would be operating Christmas day. And my own church - definitely not Baptist - will have two morning services with child care for up to 2 year olds, with older children attending with their families instead of children's church or Sunday School.

As far as I know, all the smaller churches are having services that day. The only ones around here that are cancelling are those which are market driven rather than Bible driven.

There are bound to be many churches in your area holding Sunday morning services that week. Try one out. The worst thing that could happen is that you would like it so much that you would want to stay.

40 posted on 12/11/2005 11:23:21 PM PST by PAR35
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