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737 as popular as ever (Spirit workers to celebrate 5,000th fuselage)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | Posted on Sun, Dec. 11, 2005 | Reach Molly McMillin

Posted on 12/12/2005 9:57:19 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

In 1965, when Boeing launched its new short-range 4737 twinjet, some Wichita workers didn't think there would be a large market for the plane.

They figured the much bigger 747 would be the hotter seller. After all, airlines were using hubs more than they were offering point-to-point service -- direct routes between cities that bypassed hubs.

At the time, Wichita workers built the tooling for the 737 fuselage as if they would manufacture only about 100 planes in all.

Time has proven them wrong.

The 737 is the most popular jetliner in commercial aircraft history. It has provided jobs for thousands of Wichita workers for dozens of years.

This week, workers will load the 5,000th 737 fuselage onto a railcar in south Wichita and send it to Boeing's facility in Renton, Wash. In February, the plane will be delivered to Southwest Airlines, which operates the largest 737 fleet in the world.

Employees at Spirit AeroSystems, formerly Boeing's commercial aircraft facility, will celebrate the milestone on Tuesday.

"That has been the mainstay of our commercial line for a number of years," said Spirit AeroSystems chief executive Jeff Turner.

And it appears it will stay that way. At least in the short term.

Boeing has 737s on order for delivery in the latter part of this decade, said Boeing spokesman Craig Martin.

Just last month, airlines in China ordered 150 737s in a deal valued at as much as $9 billion on list prices.

Boeing said its newest 737s -- the 600, 700, 800 and 900 models -- are economical and the most technologically-advanced airplanes in their class. Boeing also offers a 737 cargo plane, a combination cargo-passenger model and a business jet.

With an upturn in the market, Boeing is raising 737 production rates. At the end of October, Boeing had orders for 1,046 737s.

"The orders have just been phenomenal," said JSA Research aerospace analyst Paul Nisbet. "We won't see any let up in production, I don't think, until the next decade, and then it's far from certain."

But will Wichita build another 5,000 737 fuselages?

"No," Nisbet said. "I think sometime in the next decade, (Boeing will) replace it with an aircraft that will have the same or better technology than the 787," Boeing's newest jet.

"We're surmising that in 2011 or 12 or 13 -- in that time frame -- talk will be about launching or perhaps actually launching a new replacement aircraft," Nisbet said.

Martin agreed that Boeing will likely replace the 737 -- there are still 4,188 flying today -- with an all-new airplane. But how soon is hard to say.

"The market is going to tell us that," Martin said.

Southwest Airlines has been informally talking with Boeing about the potential of using the enhancements in technology and fuel efficiencies found in its advanced design aircraft -- the 777 and the 787 Dreamliner -- to improve the smaller 737, said Southwest executive vice president for operations Mike Van de Ven.

They aren't talking about a total replacement, he said.

When there are new aircraft designs, "you get smarter and smarter and you learn more things," Van de Ven said. The airline is interested in how much transferability there could be to the 737.

"We have a great partnership with Boeing," he said. "They are very interested in our perspective."

Boeing delivered the first 737-100 in 1967 to Lufthansa Airlines. In the ensuing years, the 737 has kept thousands employed in Wichita, although employment has risen and fallen with cycles in the business.

Production of the 737 fuselage makes up about 45 percent of the Wichita operation's business, said Spirit vice president and general manager of fuselage structures Richard "Buck" Buchanan. Including the struts and nacelles -- work the plant added later -- 60 percent of the business is 737 work, he said.

Expertise on the fuselage is a skill Spirit is actively marketing to other potential aviation customers as it seeks to grow the business.

Spirit's Turner said he thinks Boeing will want Spirit to do work on whatever plane will be the next single-aisle aircraft.

The goal would be to win the same amount of work on a new plane as it currently has on the 737, he said.

"Of course, we have to earn that opportunity," Turner said.

In the meantime, "we are selling ourselves and our capabilities now to the whole industry," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 737; 747; boeing
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To: Paleo Conservative

It looks like its been made with bondo!

I used to have to walk beneath the wing of a parked 720B (which is still flying for Honeywell as an engine test bed) to get to the crew bus, it was a well worn PA bird. Rivet city, not pretty up close!


21 posted on 12/12/2005 10:50:16 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Screw Christmas, Happy Festivus!!!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
A319s are smaller and generally don't have transcon range problems - it's a smaller plane.

JetBlue has problems with its Burbank-JFK flights because Burbank's runway is relatively short. So they limit the number of passengers on those planes. Some of their A320 transcons need to make stops if the weather is bad at their destination or headwinds are fierce, but I don't think it's as common as some think.
22 posted on 12/12/2005 10:52:46 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

I'd like to see them do it out of SNA.

It still amazes me that Aloha does Hawaii flights out of there and that tiny runway.

We start 757 service to Honolulu and Maui on Friday, finally got our planes ETOPS certified. Probably be a while till I can find an empty flight though.


23 posted on 12/12/2005 10:57:29 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Screw Christmas, Happy Festivus!!!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I used to have to walk beneath the wing of a parked 720B (which is still flying for Honeywell as an engine test bed) to get to the crew bus, it was a well worn PA bird. Rivet city, not pretty up close!

Is that the one with the 5th engine mounted behind the cockpit?

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=honeywell+Boeing+720&btnG=Search

24 posted on 12/12/2005 10:59:13 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yep, I saw it flying a few weeks back, great to see that in the air!


25 posted on 12/12/2005 11:05:14 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Screw Christmas, Happy Festivus!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

One website said it was a Northwest plane, but it had a PA tail number, who knows?


26 posted on 12/12/2005 11:09:48 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Screw Christmas, Happy Festivus!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I thought that Boeing celebrated the 6,000 th airframe of the 737? not 5,000,, unless that was a typo.


27 posted on 12/13/2005 3:26:22 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
To bad they can't put the first 737 at the AIR& SPACE museum or any other indoors museum to keep it out of the weather, just like they did with the original DASH-80.
When Boeing was developing and building the 777, they actually used the prototype 747 for a flying testbed of the first P&W engine that first went on the 777.
Needless to say on one of those test, the 777 engine backfired ( engine surge ) from continual testing and abuse from testing.
I saw on Airliners.net that someone showed pictures of the original 747 prototype, and it was just sitting in the desert, and some of the paint on it was just fading away ( a sad sight to see ) Boeing gave it to some air museum, but, it looks like they are not taking care of it.
I just wish they had room at the AIR&SPACE museum in Washington D.C. to keep these great airplanes.
I know the AIR&SPACE museum would take good care of these planes.
28 posted on 12/13/2005 3:38:41 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I was wondering something ?
How come they can't reuse the aluminum from old airplanes, melt down the old aluminum and reuse it ?
I know they use aluminum from old airplanes for other uses, but, I am not sure they use old aluminum from old airplanes for new airplanes.,,,,,,,,, but,, then again ? if they are going to use composites, then, that is a mute point then.
29 posted on 12/13/2005 3:42:02 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I know the prototype of the 707 is there, the DASH-80, the very same plane in that picture that TEX JOHNSON did that barrel roll in.


30 posted on 12/13/2005 3:44:54 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I was on a 757 once, loved the flight, comfortable airplane ( at least in my opinion ) to bad Boeing has or already is going to stop production on the 757.
31 posted on 12/13/2005 3:58:38 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Only white knuckles I ever had in a 737 were actually in a T-43 in the mid 80's, flying out of old Mather AFB with the 452 FTS. DRs and Cele were stressfull but I never worried about the airframe!


32 posted on 12/13/2005 4:08:31 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
( http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=4595 )

( http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=4592 )

( http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=4583 )

( http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=4457 )

There you go, the 757 taking off for your viewing pleasure.
33 posted on 12/13/2005 4:16:44 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=3821


34 posted on 12/13/2005 4:20:46 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ATCNavyRetiree
Boeing did some modifications to the rudder and tail of the 737.
They increased the height of the of the rudder and vertical stabilizer of the 737, and re-engineerd the rudder hydraulic actuators.
35 posted on 12/13/2005 4:39:50 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: HolgerDansk

"If the country ever needs another medium bomber or cruise missile platform, the 737 would be just the ticket."

Boeing is now offering a maritime patrol variant of the 737. I just wonder if it can loiter like a P-3 Orion (descendant of another airliner, the Electra, although nowhere near as successful as the 737. Same goes for the Nimrod/Comet). Just add a weapons bay, a sonobouy dispenser, MAD boom, surface search radar, and load the passenger compartment with the signal processing equipment.


36 posted on 12/13/2005 5:21:13 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: HolgerDansk
The 737 is probably the world's most overpowered airliner, and the Southwest pilots seem to delight in this fact during takeoff. If the country ever needs another medium bomber or cruise missile platform, the 737 would be just the ticket.

I used to ride Indian Airlines 737s into the Shrinigar (Kashmir) airport back in the early 80s. I think that runway was about as long as my driveway, and the air was reeeeeal thin up there. Those IA pilots used to firewall those engines on takeoff and landings, every single time.

You think the 737 is a hot bird, but I dare say you have never felt what it is really capable of. When they set that thing down and hit the thrust reversers, you were thrown against the belt so hard, half the people would have bumped their heads on the seat in front of them, if the seat had not already collapsed forward.

Pretty exciting stuff. Takeoffs were fun too...

37 posted on 12/13/2005 6:10:18 AM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

However, the A320-200's in JetBlue configuration still has trouble flying westbound from JFK to the US West Coast on a full load--I believe that JetBlue cannot fly the plane in full 162-passenger configuration on flights like JFK to Oakland, CA or JFK to Long Beach, CA. The 737-800 with the Aviation Partners winglets could easily fly fully-loaded from JFK to Oakland, CA year-round.


38 posted on 12/13/2005 6:22:17 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

That was the order not the fuselage. The 737 has a backlog of over 1,000 orders. That's one reason why Boeing is setting up a second 737 line in the space where the 757 line was. At one time there was speculation that Boeing was going to set up moving production lines that could produce both 737's and 757's simultaneously. Apparently it wasn't feasible.


39 posted on 12/13/2005 6:37:23 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Fred Hayek; RayChuang88
Boeing is now offering a maritime patrol variant of the 737. I just wonder if it can loiter like a P-3 Orion

I wonder if the same plane will be offered as a BBJ-2ER with the room of 727-200 but the range of the BBj-1 or better.

40 posted on 12/13/2005 6:42:13 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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