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Hunters helped save rare bird from extinction
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| 12/13/2005
| Deborah Zabarenko
Posted on 12/13/2005 9:21:18 AM PST by Rio
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To: Ladysmith
This is proof once again that if you wish to preserve wildlife or open spaces, you put sportsmen in charge of that, not enviro-twits!
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posted on
12/13/2005 10:21:57 AM PST
by
Beagle8U
(An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
To: LexBaird
The first time that Arkansas, pecker and Bill were used in a sentence and it was not about the 42nd President.
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posted on
12/13/2005 1:02:53 PM PST
by
oldtimer2
(Liberal: a power worshipper without power....George Orwell)
To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; MozartLover; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this new (maybe) Upper Midwest (WI, IA, MN, MI, and anyone else) list, largely rural issues, please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.
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posted on
12/13/2005 1:26:18 PM PST
by
SJackson
(There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
To: Beagle8U; billhilly; Diana in Wisconsin
That has been proven over and over. Hunters are the original conservationists, and the most successful, but the press rarely reports this.
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posted on
12/13/2005 2:54:35 PM PST
by
girlangler
(I'd rather be fishing)
To: Rio
Ivory Billed Woodpecker soup is great followed by fillet of Sperm Whale and stewed prunes to cleanse the gullet...
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posted on
12/13/2005 2:59:45 PM PST
by
Bender2
(Even dirty old robots need love!)
To: Rio; GreenFreeper
Good to hear. Any time I read something like this, it makes me that much more annoyed at the anti-hunting crowd.
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posted on
12/13/2005 2:59:45 PM PST
by
proud_yank
("The government dole will rot your soul" --Stan Rogers, 'The Idiot')
To: Ladysmith
I said the same thing the first time I saw a pileated woodpecker. That's one big bird!
Loud too! They always make me jump if they start tapping as I'm walking close by in the woods.
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posted on
12/13/2005 3:02:33 PM PST
by
proud_yank
("The government dole will rot your soul" --Stan Rogers, 'The Idiot')
To: girlangler
Lets give the Clintons credit for something. They gave the bird to Arkansas.
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posted on
12/13/2005 3:15:16 PM PST
by
billhilly
(Demo cammo is yellow and white)
To: proud_yank
proud_yank,
All the anti hunting organizations do is raise money. You'll not find them contributing to habitat restoration like hunters.
Are you familiar with the Pittman/Roberson Act and the money raised by hunters since the 1930s? Hunters have raised billions and much of that goes to purchase wildlife refuges, etc. Hunters paid for all the wildlife refuges, yet the big AR and green organizations tried to kick hunters off the refuges back in the 1990s; these groups filed lawsuits attempting to do just that.
Rarely do you read about these contributions outside of hunting/fishing media. The MSM would have you believe hunters are just killing all the wildlife. Contributions like this don't usually make the news, but let three PETA girls get naked and it makes headlines in all the MSM.
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posted on
12/13/2005 3:43:21 PM PST
by
girlangler
(I'd rather be fishing)
To: ken5050
those who see it say, "Oh, my God..".Actually the more common name among Southern people was "Lord-God". My father, born 1893, knew this name, and I think he applied it to the pileated woodpecker, which is still fairly common in north Louisiana. It's very similar to the ivory bill but is smaller and has less white on the wings. I have a few on my place in the woods, and they used to irritate me bacause their call sounds like the old mechanical-ringer telephone (at least, to me).
To: blam; Carry_Okie; Chanticleer; ClearCase_guy; cogitator; CollegeRepublican; ...
ECO-PING
FReepmail me to be added or removed to the ECO-PING list!
Responsible hunters and fishermen are owed a great debt from those that enjoy the outdoors and wildlife!
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posted on
12/13/2005 3:56:24 PM PST
by
GreenFreeper
(Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
To: GreenFreeper
But I thought all hunters will kill bambi. After I was married eons ago, I had to put my rifles in moth balls never to be used again.
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:08:28 PM PST
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Slicksadick
I saw one of these in my woods in west Tennessee 2 years ago.
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:16:56 PM PST
by
DonnerT
(New Orleans: A microcosm of the world without God.)
To: Rio
Woody Woodpecker ping.
"HahahaHAha"!
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:25:47 PM PST
by
manwiththehands
("Have a RamaHanuKwanzMas" - Glenn Beck (And Merry Christmas!) (... and "Happy Holidays!"))
To: GreenFreeper
Responsible hunters and fishermen are owed a great debt from those that enjoy the outdoors and wildlife! That's arguable, because the evidence for the bird's existence is, so far, beyond sketchy, not to mention that all the hooplaa is providing TNC cover when they are trying to cut off a 1,000 farmers from getting water in order to make their 200,000 acres of land easier to take.
From the article: Good observers are essential to catching a glimpse of the camera-shy ivory bill. So far, some 20,000 hours of searching by dozens of trained observers have failed to spot the bird.
Good observers have failed to find the bird for over 60 years. There's an article out on this story you should read. When it comes online I'll post it to this thread.
Here are some facts:
The TNC and Cornell delayed announcement of the sighting for over a year. That delayed getting credible ornithologists in the area to find the bird before it moved. Such a delay is an EXTREMELY unusual practice among birders.
The authors and the "peer reviewers" of the article describing the sightings were comprised ENTIRELY of people directly employed or on the board of directors of the TNC. Virtually all of them stand to gain financially from the grant money to aid "recovery."
The only documentation of the "sighting" is an audio tape of the supposed double rap of the bird and a video tape that is as suggestive as pictures of bigfoot. Even Cornell ornithologists admit this is "sketchy evidence."
So far, $20 million has been spent on "recovery" of a species that hasn't been confirmed to exist.
If anybody but an environmental "scientist" hustled that kind of money with a profit interest and came up dry, they'd end up in the slammer for fraud. I am not saying that it's impossible for the bird to exist. It is however, extremely unlikely. There is good reason for skepticism about this story.
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:28:38 PM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
To: Carry_Okie
Thank you for telling it like it is. I expressed considerable reservation about this when it was announced, and was roundly criticized by the environmentalist on that group. I suspect all of the adulation for hunters is to try to get support for even more money. To me the smell of fish is even stronger than it was a year ago.
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:44:47 PM PST
by
midwyf
To: girlangler
girlangler,
Anti-capitalism and socialism seems to be the theme of all 'mainstream' AR and enviro groups now. I can only imagine the money they roll in as tax-exempt too! At their rallies, you see far more anti-Bush/corporate/capitalist... nonsense than pro-animals/environment.
They love to tie everything up in the courts as well to spur their cause, if they aren't out firebombing or chaining themselves to something instead. For example:
Activists plan to sue U.S. to protect polar bears
Groups like Ducks & Trout Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, etc. do far more in terms of conservation than any 'enviro' group. They have to, in order to keep their hobby or outdoor business alive. (Somehow, that common logic seems to be lost on the radical masses ;-) )
There is a multi-use park that I hunt just east of Edmonton, but it is also open to hikers and equestrians. There is a push to have hunters banned from the park, yet excise taxes on licenses, ammo, etc pay for 100% of the park. The hikers and equestrians don't pay a dime, yet gripe about the people who fund the land they are enjoying. (Horseback riders tend to yell the most, 'Gunshots scare horses....').
I had a woman give me grief when I was hunting grouse, she tried telling me that hunting hours end at 11 am there. I don't recall writing 'stupid' on my forehead, but she may have seen it somehow. I was cordial and I told her that she had been misinformed. Still got the 'evil glare' as she passed by. Unfortunately, the reality is that these people manage to find a way to win in the courts. That is about the only way a radical liberal agenda has a chance is through the courts.
I'm not familiar with the Pittman/Roberson Act, I'll have to do some reading! I would bet though that when it comes to govt. spending, that conservation (rangers, land use, etc) is probably more efficient than other spending.
Hunters will never get any positive press, unless it is Kerry holding a shotgun that isn't his, and a goose he probably didn't shoot. I wonder how many 'giggles' have to be edited out before PETA girls make the pages. Girls of the NRA??? LOL! Doubt it!
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:46:08 PM PST
by
proud_yank
("The government dole will rot your soul" --Stan Rogers, 'The Idiot')
To: Carry_Okie; GreenFreeper
Responsible hunters and fishermen are owed a great debt from those that enjoy the outdoors and wildlife!
This article may be debateable, but on average, hunters and fishermen are very valuable to the outdoors and pay many excise taxes that go directly to conservation.
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:50:15 PM PST
by
proud_yank
("The government dole will rot your soul" --Stan Rogers, 'The Idiot')
To: proud_yank
This article may be debateable, but on average, hunters and fishermen are very valuable to the outdoors and pay many excise taxes that go directly to conservation. Of that there is no doubt.
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posted on
12/13/2005 4:53:30 PM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
To: Rio
Video of latest sighting here (click on third photo on page, next to "News Release":
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/ivory/multimedia/videos
(That's NOT a pileated woodpecker. We have pileateds up here in southern New Hampshire, and they've flown really close by me several times. The ivory-billed has lots more white in the wings.)
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