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Rumsfeld mulls cut in military personnel
AP ^ | Dec 14 2005 | Lolita C. Baldor,

Posted on 12/14/2005 12:37:27 AM PST by jmc1969

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To: jmc1969
-- Eliminating 40,000 Air Force jobs over the next six years, including active duty, civilian and reserves.

The Air Force has been taking it in the shorts lately. If they are going to eliminate 40K positions, then Congress needs to get a pair and close some bases.

21 posted on 12/14/2005 4:22:30 AM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: jmc1969
"Officials said Rumsfeld is considering several options for cutting personnel costs, including:"

UNNAMED officials and OPTIONS stir a reaction among the FR generals.

Pouty

22 posted on 12/14/2005 4:39:06 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: TankerKC

I wouold recommend eliminating all Numbered Air Forces (they serve no useful function and are only kept to keep GO billets up).


23 posted on 12/14/2005 4:45:41 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: cynicom

"On Dec 7, 1941, the island of Guam had 128 Marines with one 50 cal machine gun, rifles and sidearms, to protect the island against 5000 invading Japanese."

There it is.

Kimmel had actually dispatched some reinforcements, but when he was relieved, his successor had them turn around and head back to Pearl. He was afraid to lose any more ships.


24 posted on 12/14/2005 4:50:34 AM PST by dsc
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To: cva66snipe
I agree with everything you wrote.

Rummy's "transformational Military" that means more cuts in spending and forces just makes me nuts.

He's undoing everything that had been done under Reagon and taking up where Clinton left off in terms of hampering the Military.

I also think as a Navy man that he has a pathological dislike of the Air Force. Cut 60,000 Air Force? I sure hope not. That's just crazy.

And the National Guard do the Communications jobs. Cut them and who do you send overseas to keep the guys with the guns informed on where the enemy is?

How about we get Congress to cut the "earmarks" - their oh-so-treasured pork-barrel spending. Where's Pence when you need him?

25 posted on 12/14/2005 6:51:07 AM PST by TruthNtegrity
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To: dsc
The Marines on the Canal were eating captured Japanese food and using captured Japanese equipment to prepare runways.

That was due to Fletcher bugging out.

26 posted on 12/14/2005 8:46:15 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: armydawg1
I have had problems with Rumsfeld for some time, believing he is on the same level as Robert McNamara, the Architect of Defeat in Vietnam. The Army is getting burnt out now because of low numbers requiring constant rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan. MORE, not less, are needed!

Rummy was at least in part responsible for the Carter years military woes. The military was already on a bad down turn when Carter took office. Not that Carter helped matters until he absolutely had to {Iranian Crisis} as he and Ford were more or less one & the same. I enlisted under Rummy's first miserable tenure as Sec of Defense under Ford. Rummy was in charge of the 30 day UA walk away & become an instant civilian military. Why anyone thought he would be the man for the job 25 years later is beyond me.

27 posted on 12/14/2005 9:58:14 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: quietolong
The new look look of the low cost pc Navy USS William Jefferson Clinton CVS1

Myself I'm wondering if the new carrier USS POPPY will automatically prematurely decommission itself after 20 years as part of an automatic defense spending cut?

28 posted on 12/14/2005 10:01:24 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cynicom

The smart guy would pull the chief of each service into a room, and just tell them...cut 30 percent of your pentagon staff over 3 years...and no contractors to replace them. It'll take them five years to just determine how the new structure will look like...and then they would actually start the cuts.


29 posted on 12/14/2005 10:04:08 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: jmc1969
Ok I know I'm gonna get flamed...But here is an idea:
Merge the Air Force back in to the Army like the Marines are part of the Navy.
Downgrade the Secretary of the Air Force to an undersecretary, merge the Army Medical folk with the Air Force medical folks, along with other duplicated efforts some Army stuff to the Air force some Air Force stuff to the Army.

This would reduce a great deal of personnel, save money, but keep the core missions intact.

Up for discussion....
30 posted on 12/14/2005 10:14:52 AM PST by FlatLandBeer
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To: TruthNtegrity
He's undoing everything that had been done under Reagon and taking up where Clinton left off in terms of hampering the Military.

Poppy Bush/Cheney and congress actually started that disaster. Interesting enough while we were headed to Desert Storm Poppy was already at work gutting the Reagan military. Keep this in mind that for Gulf War 1 reserve troops were being activated.

And the National Guard do the Communications jobs. Cut them and who do you send overseas to keep the guys with the guns informed on where the enemy is?

If that's all they did it might not be as dangerous. Many are actually Field Artillery units. I'm ex-carrier Navy but I'm also ex Army NG as well. My Army MOS was 13-B which means Cannon Infantry. Most Army NG units are at the most 50% manned with prior combat service trained vets. The rest are former Navy & Air Force vets or Army vets from non Combat jobs. In reality it would be easier & likely quicker to take green recruits to do the job. The NG's primary mission should be domestic defense and fill ins for foreign deployed troops as well as by tradition serve under their home state governors.

How about we get Congress to cut the "earmarks" - their oh-so-treasured pork-barrel spending. Where's Pence when you need him?

I Agree 100%.

31 posted on 12/14/2005 10:16:04 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

I went into the Army one week before Carter became President. I had a chance to see his full term and the full terms of RR. God bless Ronald Reagan, the man who saved our country and our military!


32 posted on 12/14/2005 11:46:54 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Mr Rogers
I would recommend eliminating all Numbered Air Forces (they serve no useful function and are only kept to keep GO billets up).

There will still be too many bases. Have you heard of the Warfighting HQ concept? Some of the NAFS have gone away to staff these standing warfigthing HQs.

33 posted on 12/14/2005 11:57:48 AM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: armydawg1
I went into the Army one week before Carter became President. I had a chance to see his full term and the full terms of RR. God bless Ronald Reagan, the man who saved our country and our military!

I went through basic and post basic under Rummy and served till October 80. Morale in early 77 was a joke as was discipline. No doubt things were a mess. Some not much but some positive changes started occurring in early 80. But I can say one thing no carrier or ship for that matter during that time that I know of flunked INSURV, P.E.B. or light offs. Despite the problems we remained mission capable and there were problems indeed.

34 posted on 12/14/2005 12:08:35 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: FlatLandBeer
I suggested eliminating the Air Force as an independent group some time ago and never got a response to it on FR.

In this era there is no need for a separate Air Force.

All it adds is a haven for a very over staffed, top heavy , officer corp.

35 posted on 12/14/2005 1:36:14 PM PST by cynicom
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To: A.A. Cunningham

"That was due to Fletcher bugging out."

Yes, that's true, but it can be argued that he hiked up his skirts and fled because he did not feel strong enough to face the Japanese fleet, which takes us back to my original point.


36 posted on 12/14/2005 4:04:45 PM PST by dsc
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