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Time for an Immigration-enforcement Bill
The Washington Times ^ | December 14, 2005 | Dana Rohrabacher

Posted on 12/14/2005 2:53:12 PM PST by kellynla

The House is about to debate -- and hopefully pass -- an immigration enforcement bill, HR 4437. It's about time. Let's start the debate by dispatching the biggest myth: "Americans won't do certain jobs, that's why we have to import foreign labor." There are no jobs Americans won't do. No matter how physically difficult, intellectually challenging or personally dangerous an occupation might be, Americans will do the job that needs to be done -- provided the compensation is right. We used to understand that dirty, dangerous jobs deserved good pay, even if the job did not require much education. Meat packers used to make a solid middle-class wage. They were not rich, but the arduous and bone-chilling work of carving up animal carcasses and packaging them for grocery sale was considered a decent job. Middle-class meat packers supported a home and family and were the strength of their communities. Now, with the huge influx of illegal alien laborers, the job is being relegated to low wages and few benefits. Home ownership, along with other upwardly mobile middle-class expectations, is being left behind.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; borders; bush; congress; gop; guestworker; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform; mexico; presidentbush
I felt obligated to post this piece since Rohrabacher is my congressman and I am extemely interested in the issue of illegal immigration. No brag, just fact. LOL
1 posted on 12/14/2005 2:53:12 PM PST by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Rohrabacher, the surfers Congressman, right dude?


2 posted on 12/14/2005 2:56:26 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: kellynla

No job Americans wont do, provided the pay in adequate. AND stop paying them more to stay home and not work!


3 posted on 12/14/2005 2:58:27 PM PST by txroadhawg ("Stuck on stupid? I invented stupid! " Al Gore)
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To: kellynla; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
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C'mon, Dana, kill that myth already!

4 posted on 12/14/2005 2:58:47 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Plug the dike ~ Drain the swamp ~)
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To: HiJinx
I really liked the idea about putting the prisoners to work. It is high time that we reinstated chain gangs. Huge numbers of our prisoners are nonviolent drug offenders. It would do them a world of good to learn how to work hard and earn a living without selling drugs. Plus they would be paying restitution and a portion of their cost of incarceration.

Great idea!

5 posted on 12/14/2005 3:11:05 PM PST by jackbenimble
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To: kellynla

One of the things that massive illegal immigration has killed is the career ladder, from unskilled jobs upward to better paying jobs. What you have now is essentially three worlds: agricultural, meatpacking, or construction jobs that go only to illegals; checkout workers at the Supermarket or McDonalds that go to teenagers; and fancy jobs that go only to those whose families could afford to buy them a super college education.

It used to be that anyone could start at the bottom and work their way up. Now there are a whole lot of missing rungs, and a gigantic welfare system to warehouse all the people who never got started on the way up.


6 posted on 12/14/2005 3:14:24 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kellynla

Thanks for posting this, kelly. Dana Rohrabacher is one of the few good guys in California who is actually worried about the downward path our state has taken due to unlimited illegal immigration.


7 posted on 12/14/2005 3:26:29 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Cicero
Now there are a whole lot of missing rungs, and a gigantic welfare system to warehouse all the people who never got started on the way up.

I don't think state or federal government, business (large and small) or many others want the flow of Mexicans or OTM's to stop. To the governments - it's just more tax base via working age persons. To the businesses - it's just more cheap labor that includes the side benefit of persons that are in a weak position to complain or file suits about pay and safety etc.

Like I said - the people in a position to make law changes or to enforce existing laws likely have a vested interest in the status quo. If you can't beat them - then join them? Deep down - I feel that our national leaders are intentionally allowing the illegals to come here to pad a slowing birth rate to shore up our supply of working age persons because we are going to need them when the baby boomers are gereatric and into the future. Europe has done so with all sorts of Mideastern, North African etc. I - personally would take a Mexican any day rather than what Europe is getting.

8 posted on 12/14/2005 3:29:26 PM PST by winston2 (Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness! :-)
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To: txroadhawg

Hope they stop the anchor babies automatic citizenship, the mother is here ILLEGALLY don't reward her and her kid with precious citizenship. Once they gain citizenship thru this kid they are able to get medicaid and welfare.


9 posted on 12/14/2005 3:42:27 PM PST by stopem (Merry CHRISTmas to ALL!)
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To: winston2

Yes, I've often said I'd rather have Latin Americans coming in than Muslims. We are very lucky in that regard.

But if you look at the history of the past two centuries in Latin America, you find something very disturbing: None of these countries are capable of governing themselves without constantly falling into left or right-wing dictatorships. I'm not at all sure whether we can change that pattern if, in the future, the majority of our country is Latin American.

I don't know what it is. Most of them are nice people, individually. But they have rarely managed to live together under a just political system.


10 posted on 12/14/2005 3:44:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jackbenimble

If we had a decent border fence, it would be much cheaper to dump them on the other side. Unskilled chain gang labor is not worth much compared to the cost of incarceration.


11 posted on 12/14/2005 4:25:34 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Rome didn't build a great Empire by having meetings. It did it by killing all who opposed it.)
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To: kellynla; All
Let's stop the abuse of the 14th Amendment.

"What does it mean for America with over 300,000 'anchor babies' being fraudulently born in our country annually? Do American citizens like adding not only 300,000 welfare cases but the added 300,000 mothers that go with those babies? That's 600,000 people sticking their straws into the public trough. Why is it that we become responsible for this financial nightmare when we've got over a million homeless Americans?

How about our school systems clawing for money? How about our millions of Americans on food stamps? What about our Social Security system financing other countries like Mexico?

Why does our Congress condone this growing 'anchor baby' nightmare? When does the insanity of this immigration nightmare end? When will you, as an American, raise your voice?"

sw

12 posted on 12/14/2005 4:28:29 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: stopem

I've never understood why the Constitution didn't make it clear that citizenship would only be bestowed on children born of parents that had not broken the law.

It restricts the right of criminals to vote. Were the framers just not foresighted enough to envision a time when US Citizenship would be a prize criminals would seek ?


13 posted on 12/14/2005 4:29:41 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Rome didn't build a great Empire by having meetings. It did it by killing all who opposed it.)
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To: Cicero
if, in the future, the majority of our country is Latin American.

If- as I firmly believe - the United States and Britain are modern day Israel - and - the prophesies to befall Israel in the latter days - being swamped with other peoples, national debt, Godlessness and ultimately "Jacob's trouble" makes perfect sense.

Interesting read about how God punishes Israel and why- Jeremiah 30:7 and the whole chp. and also Isaiah chp.5

14 posted on 12/14/2005 4:43:36 PM PST by winston2 (Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness! :-)
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To: kellynla

Time for an Immigration-enforcement Bill


-----Been time.


15 posted on 12/14/2005 4:45:29 PM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: kellynla
I think that Gilchrest's 25% showing is having a salutory effect on Republicans in Congress.

For Republicans in Gerrymandered districts, their only threat is a third party. Gilchrest showed how a third of the Republican voters could be lost to a Republican weak on illegals.

16 posted on 12/14/2005 4:55:33 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Kellis91789
If we had a decent border fence, it would be much cheaper to dump them on the other side. Unskilled chain gang labor is not worth much compared to the cost of incarceration.

I could live with that. In fact, if it was up to me, I would just shoot most of the human refuse. But since that is unlikely to happen, I thought the idea of making them work was better than nothing.

17 posted on 12/14/2005 6:29:00 PM PST by jackbenimble
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To: kellynla

I'd suggest reading these two very, very closely:

vdare.com/mann/051212_sanctions.htm
denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_3282253

If I were even more cynical, I might suspect that Sensenbrenner's bill is a trojan horse designed to *help* a guest worker scheme which the Senate will insert into the final bill.

The solution is to tell everyone you know to contact their representatives and urge them to pass HR 4437, but *only if* the trojan horse provisions are removed. And, tell your reps that you will not vote for them again if they pass a guest worker program.


18 posted on 12/14/2005 10:50:04 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


19 posted on 12/15/2005 7:17:31 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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