Posted on 12/14/2005 5:57:12 PM PST by AZRepublican
(McLean, VA) The National Policy Institute, a McLean, Virginia think tank, has called for the deportation of illegals in the U.S. A recently issued NPI paper has crunched the numbers and the Institute concludes that deporting illegal aliens would save Americans billions in annual taxes as well as increase the average income of native-born U.S. workers.
The Economics of Immigration Enforcement: Assessing the Costs and Benefits of Mass Deportation, written by statistical expert Edwin Rubenstein, presents startling data and analysis of the massive costs of illegal immigration to Americans and the enormous benefits that would result from deporting illegals.
The NPI paper is a direct response to a well publicized July 2005 study by The Center for American Progress, a leftwing think tank. The Center’s paper claims that the price of deporting illegal aliens would be prohibitive, costing the government up to $230 billion over five years.
But the Center’s paper basically ignores the total cost to American taxpayers of having anywhere from 8.5 to 20 million illegals in the U.S. who demand and receive benefits such as education, medical care, welfare and housing subsidies. NPI’s study finds that illegals receive more than $26 billion per year in federal services and additional billions from state and local governments.
Moreover, illegals have a negative impact on the jobs and income of American-born workers. The NPI paper cites a study by a Harvard professor, George Borjas, who estimates that every 10 percent increase in the labor force due to immigration results in a 3.5 percent decrease in native-born wages. The loss to American workers will be staggering when, as the U.S. Census forcasts, the illegal percentage of the labor force reaches 34 percent in 2025.
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Ditto's to the National Policy Institute.
The quislings will be furious.
Ditto.
Just curious - What is the stance of the Unions on this? Big Dem supporters - but to their mode of thinking, immigrants would seem to keep wages low. I'm not informed on the economics of it - but could it put them in a political bind?
We need a President who will enforce existing immigration laws, not a lackey to Mexico and the OBL.
I used to think so too, but Unions are looking down the road about this. Yes, it hurt their dues paying workers to have illegals around, but they stopped giving a crap about worker wages long ago. Now it's all about union DUES.
The Unions will organize the illegals, dreaming of the days of Julio Chavez. They have visions of MILLIONS of new dues-payers added to their coffers.
Just a thought, but is their real concern the "workers", or just how many dues paying members they have, and therefore influence they can peddle?
It depends on if you are talking to the Union leadership or the Union rank and file. The Union Leadership sees the illegals as a source of new dues paying members to fund their corruption and fatten the wallets. The rank and file sees the illegals as job competition. The Union Leadership has been shafting the rank and file for a long time and they must kind of enjoy it because they never do anything about it.
GMTA
Ooops, make that Cesar Chavez...
Somehow I'm disinclined to think illegals have much influence on the labor union front, one way or another.
But there is a very valid point made, that legal immigrants, who often wait years, and jump through all sorts of hoops to get here, only to get here and find their hopes for a job dashed by illegals.
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"In reassessing the cost, the following analysis
compares and contrasts what an amnesty would cost taxpayers in
terms of social services, lost wages, health care subsidies, and
educational expenditures. The author concludes that comparative
estimates demonstrate “no matter how high the costs of
deporting illegal aliens may seem, the costs of not deporting them
are larger still.”"
I used to work in the HQ of the US Customs & Border Patrol. Everyone knew that the US could seal the borders in a heart beat if there were any political will to do so from the top.
There was none. And there is not much now.
The basic story on this stuff is that the leadership of both the republican and democratic parties would sell the US into Mexican slavery in a heart beat if they could just get away with it. The top republicans are looking for cheap labor and the top democrats are looking for cheap votes.
The rank and file of both parties just despise the whole mess.
So we'll get some crappy bs that just kicks the can down the road and will make for increadible problems for the USA in a couple decades. We'll get the political equivalent of the 3/5ths compromise.
Heaven help the USA.
Yeah, that's sort of my point in a way. The union members are likely to be more "anti-immigrant" than the union leadership. At some point they'll realize the leadership has a conflict of interest. I grew up in a blue-collar area, and those guys know a raw deal when they see one. Expressions like "sold down the river" come to mind (steel towns always had a river or two).
"We believe that neither the pro- nor the anti-immigration groups are
asking the right questions. Neither side has assessed the costs of maintaining the
status quo, i.e., the annual costs of an immigration policy that refuses to either
stem the influx of illegal aliens or deport illegals already here."
*gulp*
<< CAIR isn't going to be crazy about it either. >>
Gee, you would think they'd want to leave here since they think we're a bunch or torturers.
The real definition of torture is listening to CAIR rhetoric.
We also need to cut off all immigrants that are here on work visas from government entitlements.
Even if they are here legally, they need to support themselves and provide a benefit to our economy, or they should be deported.
Students here on student visas should also be able to fully support themselves while here, or should be deported.
Unless we are granting aslyum for some reason, our immigration system is supposed to benefit the United States, not import other country's problems.
However, I do have some questions on how they plan on accomplishing mass deportations of illegal immigrants.
How do we streamline our deportation process yet still give due process to those who may qualify for aslyum or meet residency requirements?
The percentage that qualify for such things are likely small, but lawyers are really good at dragging things out.
How do we make deporting millions of illegal immigrants a reality when our court system can process a fraction of that?
I also have to question this number.
Moreover, illegals have a negative impact on the jobs and income of American-born workers. The NPI paper cites a study by a Harvard professor, George Borjas, who estimates that every 10 percent increase in the labor force due to immigration results in a 3.5 percent decrease in native-born wages. The loss to American workers will be staggering when, as the U.S. Census forcasts, the illegal percentage of the labor force reaches 34 percent in 2025.
So, how much are they proposing that illegal immigrants are hurting wages now? Our unemployment rate is at 5% even with the current number of illegal workers. Historicly unemployment rates don't go and stay much lower.
We don't have widespread unemployment problems in the US right now even with the large number of illegal workers. If you shrink the workforce you'll force companies out of business.
You will raise wages in some job types due to increased competition for workers, which will result in inflation. Some workers are better off, but as a whole our economy shrinks and inflation rises.
I'm all for deporting illegal aliens, however we do have a need for a limited number of legal immigrant workers.
Darn those professors of Economics.....it's such a shame that they actual understand wage suppression because of illegals.
Sing a song...music to my ears...
Deport them all now...
Goodbye middle class!
sickening, isn't it?
"How do we streamline our deportation process yet still give due process to those who may qualify for aslyum or meet residency requirements? "
Illegals are not entitled to due process, only citizens. Out they go.
Employers who have been breaking the law employing illegals for decades get no sympathy from me at all. If they go out of business then they've earned it. But they won't, they'll adapt and pay living wages to legal Americans. It might be painful for some at first, but that pain is deserved, and will be more short-lived than the problems their illegal behavior has caused.
bump!
I thought history had shown that it was neither, but more along the line of how much can the leadership steal.
I think the same thing was said about slavery once.
Easy to say, but first you have to determine if they have a legal right to be here under our laws, which is where the due process part comes in.
As soon as you verify that they have no legal right to be here, out they go, but lawyers have made it very difficult to get to that point quickly.
We need to find a way to make the process work, because right now it's broken and we simply can't process all the illegal aliens we do catch, and we all know the ones we catch are a small fraction of the ones out there.
Employers who have been breaking the law employing illegals for decades get no sympathy from me at all. If they go out of business then they've earned it.
Fair enough. However, a lot of the illegal aliens work for small contracting companies. Construction is an area where this seems to be common. The builder hires a sub, they don't have any real way to verify that the workers the sub hires are legal, and they'd likely get themselves sued if the tried over violating some equal employment act.
Take away the workers and that sub contractor goes under. The builder has a harder time getting subs. He builds less houses in a year. The price of homes goes up effecting home buyers. The demand for building supplies goes down which hurts other companies.
The economy shrinks. It's not just those employers that hired illegal workers that suffer, they're actually a very small part of it.
Wages are based on either supply and demand, or they're based on how much a union can squeeze out of an industry before they destroy it.
Our unemployment rate is at 5%. Historicly it doesn't stay much lower than that. There aren't a lot of unemployed people out there looking for work. In general illegal aliens aren't holding down the best jobs either.
Expecting a large increase in wages in agriculture and manufacturing due to getting rid of illegal labor is a pipe dream. Increased wages will drive up costs to the point where imported goods will destroy the competitiveness of domestic goods.
Where it doesn't do that the result is inflation. A few people make more money and all the consumers pay the price.
We live in a time of low unemployment and low inflation. If you want a better job that pays more educate yourself and train yourself to do a skilled trade that is in demand.
It might be painful for some at first, but that pain is deserved, and will be more short-lived than the problems their illegal behavior has caused.
Like I said, we need to deport illegal aliens.
We need to teach people to respect our laws. We need to be selective in who we allow to come to our country to work.
But with an unemployment rate of 5%, I'm not buying this story of overwhelming harm to american workers. It doesn't add up. We need to keep growing our economy, not shrink it. However, we need to stop ignoring our own laws. We need sensible legal immigration and we need to prevent immigrants from overstaying and we need to prevent them from bankrupting us through government entitlements meant for citizens.
Why didn't you invoke Nazis and the Holocost while you were at it.
I suggested that we still need legal immigration for our economy based on the number of illegal immigrants working in the country and our current unemployment levels.
So how does that equate to slavery, and how do you justify equating my comments with supporting slavery?
We have got to make it so costly to hire them, that no one will. I had said huge fines, but I think we need hard time also for owners, managers and supervisors of companies hiring them.
They are entitled if charged with a crime. I think the trick is to make being in this country a crime where life, liberty or protery is not to be a penality. Removing them is not a deprivation of anything because they are not losing anything they had prior....they are simply being shown the door whence they came.
Fore a better reading on this see here
Wouldn't it be nice to have a President who honors his "protect and defend" oath of office, does more than give lip service to the sovereignty of the United States, and who actually believes in the rule of law?
At the moment, we don't have one.
CAIR Action Alert = We're Doing Something Right
A common spasmodic response shared by all quislings.
By the way, good job finding the study.
Czar....you happened to ping me to this on a thread! So, good job for you, unbeknownst to you. : )
I believe the trashing has only just begun.....but it's only subtle at the moment.
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