Posted on 12/14/2005 5:57:12 PM PST by AZRepublican
We also need to cut off all immigrants that are here on work visas from government entitlements.
Even if they are here legally, they need to support themselves and provide a benefit to our economy, or they should be deported.
Students here on student visas should also be able to fully support themselves while here, or should be deported.
Unless we are granting aslyum for some reason, our immigration system is supposed to benefit the United States, not import other country's problems.
However, I do have some questions on how they plan on accomplishing mass deportations of illegal immigrants.
How do we streamline our deportation process yet still give due process to those who may qualify for aslyum or meet residency requirements?
The percentage that qualify for such things are likely small, but lawyers are really good at dragging things out.
How do we make deporting millions of illegal immigrants a reality when our court system can process a fraction of that?
I also have to question this number.
Moreover, illegals have a negative impact on the jobs and income of American-born workers. The NPI paper cites a study by a Harvard professor, George Borjas, who estimates that every 10 percent increase in the labor force due to immigration results in a 3.5 percent decrease in native-born wages. The loss to American workers will be staggering when, as the U.S. Census forcasts, the illegal percentage of the labor force reaches 34 percent in 2025.
So, how much are they proposing that illegal immigrants are hurting wages now? Our unemployment rate is at 5% even with the current number of illegal workers. Historicly unemployment rates don't go and stay much lower.
We don't have widespread unemployment problems in the US right now even with the large number of illegal workers. If you shrink the workforce you'll force companies out of business.
You will raise wages in some job types due to increased competition for workers, which will result in inflation. Some workers are better off, but as a whole our economy shrinks and inflation rises.
I'm all for deporting illegal aliens, however we do have a need for a limited number of legal immigrant workers.
Darn those professors of Economics.....it's such a shame that they actual understand wage suppression because of illegals.
Sing a song...music to my ears...
Deport them all now...
Goodbye middle class!
sickening, isn't it?
"How do we streamline our deportation process yet still give due process to those who may qualify for aslyum or meet residency requirements? "
Illegals are not entitled to due process, only citizens. Out they go.
Employers who have been breaking the law employing illegals for decades get no sympathy from me at all. If they go out of business then they've earned it. But they won't, they'll adapt and pay living wages to legal Americans. It might be painful for some at first, but that pain is deserved, and will be more short-lived than the problems their illegal behavior has caused.
bump!
I thought history had shown that it was neither, but more along the line of how much can the leadership steal.
I think the same thing was said about slavery once.
Easy to say, but first you have to determine if they have a legal right to be here under our laws, which is where the due process part comes in.
As soon as you verify that they have no legal right to be here, out they go, but lawyers have made it very difficult to get to that point quickly.
We need to find a way to make the process work, because right now it's broken and we simply can't process all the illegal aliens we do catch, and we all know the ones we catch are a small fraction of the ones out there.
Employers who have been breaking the law employing illegals for decades get no sympathy from me at all. If they go out of business then they've earned it.
Fair enough. However, a lot of the illegal aliens work for small contracting companies. Construction is an area where this seems to be common. The builder hires a sub, they don't have any real way to verify that the workers the sub hires are legal, and they'd likely get themselves sued if the tried over violating some equal employment act.
Take away the workers and that sub contractor goes under. The builder has a harder time getting subs. He builds less houses in a year. The price of homes goes up effecting home buyers. The demand for building supplies goes down which hurts other companies.
The economy shrinks. It's not just those employers that hired illegal workers that suffer, they're actually a very small part of it.
Wages are based on either supply and demand, or they're based on how much a union can squeeze out of an industry before they destroy it.
Our unemployment rate is at 5%. Historicly it doesn't stay much lower than that. There aren't a lot of unemployed people out there looking for work. In general illegal aliens aren't holding down the best jobs either.
Expecting a large increase in wages in agriculture and manufacturing due to getting rid of illegal labor is a pipe dream. Increased wages will drive up costs to the point where imported goods will destroy the competitiveness of domestic goods.
Where it doesn't do that the result is inflation. A few people make more money and all the consumers pay the price.
We live in a time of low unemployment and low inflation. If you want a better job that pays more educate yourself and train yourself to do a skilled trade that is in demand.
It might be painful for some at first, but that pain is deserved, and will be more short-lived than the problems their illegal behavior has caused.
Like I said, we need to deport illegal aliens.
We need to teach people to respect our laws. We need to be selective in who we allow to come to our country to work.
But with an unemployment rate of 5%, I'm not buying this story of overwhelming harm to american workers. It doesn't add up. We need to keep growing our economy, not shrink it. However, we need to stop ignoring our own laws. We need sensible legal immigration and we need to prevent immigrants from overstaying and we need to prevent them from bankrupting us through government entitlements meant for citizens.
Why didn't you invoke Nazis and the Holocost while you were at it.
I suggested that we still need legal immigration for our economy based on the number of illegal immigrants working in the country and our current unemployment levels.
So how does that equate to slavery, and how do you justify equating my comments with supporting slavery?
We have got to make it so costly to hire them, that no one will. I had said huge fines, but I think we need hard time also for owners, managers and supervisors of companies hiring them.
They are entitled if charged with a crime. I think the trick is to make being in this country a crime where life, liberty or protery is not to be a penality. Removing them is not a deprivation of anything because they are not losing anything they had prior....they are simply being shown the door whence they came.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a President who honors his "protect and defend" oath of office, does more than give lip service to the sovereignty of the United States, and who actually believes in the rule of law?
At the moment, we don't have one.
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