THE WHITE HOUSE HAS AGREED TO ACCEPT SEN. JOHN MCCAIN'S PROPOSAL - RE: TORTURE

Yahoooo News ^ | 12/15/05

[lugsoul]

I'm not supporting McCain - I'm supporting the United States of America, its Constitution and its laws.

But I guess you think torture is patriotic.

[Modok]

Nevermind, I just spotted the Bertrand Russell quote on your page. Damn liberal.

[Modok]

You love McCain and his support of the terrorists with this legislation. What would you rather see dead an American soldier or terrorist who talks?

[lugsoul]

Do your own research. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist - or even a sentient being - to read the Gonzalez memo definitions and know that they are at odds with the definitions in the treaty to which the US is a party - or even to see that they are inconsistent with the 5th and 8th Amendments which the Senate expressly stated would be a measuring stick for compliance with the treaty.

Simply stated, if it would violate the 8th to do it to an American, it violates the treaty to do it to a foreign citizen. EOS. If you don't like it, get the law changed. But, based on recent doings in the Senate, methinks you don't have the votes. Seems most folks still cling to the idea that we must hold ourselves to a higher standard. Sad that you want us to behave like the Egyptians or something.

[mewzilla]

Do your own research.

Why? It was your assertion. Now back up what you said.

[lugsoul]

"What would you rather see dead an American soldier or terrorist who talks?"

If you believe that permitting torture will prevent the first or cause the second (at least if you are talking about speaking the truth), then you are remarkably juvenile. If you think that torture is the only way to prevent the first and obtain the second, you are also lacking in any critical thinking skills.

Our military brass doesn't want us to torture. I'll stand in their company over yours any day.

[lugsoul]

I just did.

[mewzilla]

Show me a case where we violated the law and the violation wasn't punished.

[Modok]

I have not desire to stand with someone who supports terrorists such as yourself. Keep the liberal posturing to yourself.

[lugsoul]

Who's been punished for Khaled Masri?

[lugsoul]

"someone who supports terrorists such as yourself"

Jeez, what an imbecile. Using you own definitions, the President, who expressly agreed with the McCain amendment this very day, "supports terrorists."

[mewzilla]

Who's been charged and convicted? Don't get ahead of yourself.

[lugsoul]

"Keep the liberal posturing to yourself."

It ain't liberal, it ain't posturing, and if you don't like it, don't read it.

[H. Paul Pressler IV]

Looks to me that Bush caved to the Biggest RINO of them all.

That is the Whole Story.

[Modok]

Good grief, a liberal female.

[lugsoul]

No one. Which is the point.

[lugsoul]

Keep going. You make progressively less sense, so you only hurt your own position by continuing to demostrate how little you know.

[KenmcG414]

These jerk politicians make me sick. Better that hundreds of thousands of Americans die than rough up an Islamist terrorist. This is going to come back and bite us in the rear end.

[mewzilla]

Still need a trial. And for that you need for someone to have broken the law. I'm no lawyer but I believe there's an EO that says we can put the bag on suspects like Masri. You obviously don't like it, but that doesn't make it illegal.

[Cautor]

Torture is already illegal. This McLame legislation simply adds constraints beyond that which further hamstring our men and women in uniform endangering them and the US.

If it were up to me, I wouldn't even ban real torture for islamo-fascists that kill and main innocent people including women and children. Even killing is too good for them IMO.