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House approves 300 miles of new border fence in Ariz.
The Arizona Daily Star and AP ^ | 12.17.2005 | Lourdes Medrano

Posted on 12/17/2005 6:19:00 AM PST by Borax Queen

Arizona would get nearly 300 miles of new border fencing along key stretches as part of a new congressional effort to crack down on illegal immigration.

The House of Representatives on Thursday approved a measure to build a fence along 700 miles of the U.S.-Mexican border as an amendment to a controversial GOP bill that also would make living in the country illegally a felony and increase penalties for employers who hire illegal workers. In addition, it would require all employers to verify the legal status of all workers.

The overall bill was passed 239-182 by the full House late Friday, but it did not include provisions dealing with a guest-worker program. Another provision that was not voted on was one that would have denied citizenship to babies born in this country to illegal entrants.

The measure that calls for construction of a fence along most of the border in Arizona, and parts of the California, New Mexico and Texas borders with Mexico was introduced by Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter of California.

That amendment to Wisconsin Republican James Sensenbrenner's Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005 passed on a 260-159 vote Thursday.

It calls for security fencing to go up in five regions — including 361 miles from Calexico, Calif., to Douglas — where traffic of illegal border-crossers and drug activity are particularly heavy.

Plans call for at least two layers of reinforced fencing, plus the installation of additional barriers, roads, lighting, cameras and sensors.

"The fence is one element of a multifaceted strategy," said Joe Kasper, Hunter's press secretary. "Nobody is saying that the fence is the only solution to our immigration problem."

In San Diego County, Kasper said, construction of a fence significantly has decreased drug smuggling in the past few years."We're hopeful that this bill is going to pass the Senate as well," he said, adding that the cost of building the fence is estimated at $2.2 billion.

In a statement released Thursday, as the Hunter amendment was being considered, Rep. Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., said the proposed bill "does nothing to solve the real problems of immigration. In fact, it's worse than nothing.

"It's worse than nothing because it tries to fool the public. It pulls the wool over their eyes. It pretends we are doing something to secure our border when in fact we are doing nothing except throw words and money at the problem."

Kolbe, who announced last month that he will not seek re-election next year, said a solution to the nation's immigration problems must include border enforcement, employer sanctions, and some means of allowing those who want to work to enter the U.S. legally.

"And thirdly, you have to deal with the 10, 11, 12 million people who are already in this country illegally. Now that's the reality," he said in his statement. Kolbe did not cast a vote for the overall bill Friday night.

The legislation has stirred widespread opposition from civic, religious and business groups across the country that have spoken out against it.

Earlier Friday, Arizona human-rights advocates were quick to assail the bill's provision that would have denied U.S. citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

"There is nothing that is solution-oriented in this piece of legislation," said Jennifer Allen, executive director of Tucson's Border Action Network.

A key component that is missing from the House debate is how to deal with the estimated 11 million undocumented people who already are in the country illegally, she said, adding that new fences won't keep people out. "Walls do not work," Allen said. "They've already built walls, and people continue to come for reasons that are more profound than 15-foot-high slabs."

The secondary fencing is among improvements that the U.S. Border Patrol proposed last year in the urban areas of Naco and Douglas. Exactly where the second 12-foot fence would be located and what materials would be used are unclear.

"We know double-fencing works," said Jim Hawkins, a Border Patrol spokesman. Should Congress mandate the fence, "it will probably affect our plan in some way, we just don't know how," he said.

Dick White, president of the Arizona Interfaith Network, said he is hopeful that a more comprehensive immigration bill will come out of the Senate early next year. If the House bill's provisions become a reality, he said, they could have "disastrous economic consequences for our country" given the high demand for foreign workers.

On Friday, Republican leaders wouldn't allow a vote on the volatile citizenship proposal.

The legislation next moves to the Senate, where Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., says he will bring up immigration legislation in February that will provide a framework for guest-worker ideas.

There are wide differences on the details of a guest-worker program. Some lawmakers would require those in the country illegally to leave before applying for such a program, arguing that counterproposals allowing those already here to seek legal status are equivalent to amnesty.

Bush has proposed that undocumented immigrants be allowed to get three-year work visas. They could extend those for an additional three years, but would then have to return to their home countries for a year to apply for a new work permit.

Other aspects of the bill require the Homeland Security Department to employ the personnel and technology needed to secure the border; end the "catch and release" policy for non-Mexican immigrants, and require the Defense and Homeland Security departments to design a plan to use military technology to stop illegal crossings.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 109th; 300milesaz; aliens; border; borderfence; fence; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform

1 posted on 12/17/2005 6:19:01 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen
"There is nothing that is solution-oriented in this piece of legislation"

Sounds to me like the proper first steps are proposed in this legislation.

2 posted on 12/17/2005 6:20:50 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster; Oatka; devolve; nicmarlo; janetgreen; Czar; axes_of_weezles; chris1; ...

AZ angle to House-approved fence... Ping.


3 posted on 12/17/2005 6:21:13 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Paladin2
That's a good ones from the commie network. My favorite of the day is this, from someone who has had 21 years to actually do something, but was too busy in his globalist pursuits.

Rep. Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., said the proposed bill "does nothing to solve the real problems of immigration. In fact, it's worse than nothing.

"It's worse than nothing because it tries to fool the public. It pulls the wool over their eyes. It pretends we are doing something to secure our border when in fact we are doing nothing except throw words and money at the problem."

4 posted on 12/17/2005 6:25:40 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

A 300 mile fence is only, at most, a 150 mile detour for illegals


5 posted on 12/17/2005 6:27:31 AM PST by diverteach
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To: Borax Queen
Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., said the proposed bill "does nothing to solve the real problems of immigration. In fact, it's worse than nothing.

Glad this gay queen is hanging it up on brokeback mountain. His own cabin was vandalized by illegals but he wants more. Might be a personal choice of trade.

6 posted on 12/17/2005 6:27:49 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Borax Queen
Let's think about this for 2 seconds.

There's a hole in the hull below the waterline and the ship is sinking.

First we put a cover backed with structure over the hole to largely stem the flow and then start bailing and man the pumps. Then we do a proper hull repair.

Finally, if we need water, it'll be taken from the sea and properly filtered before use.

7 posted on 12/17/2005 6:47:38 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Paladin2

I like the analogy..


8 posted on 12/17/2005 6:54:09 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Borax Queen
There was an amnesty amendment attached to this bill and it was voted down!

Now lets see what kind of spine the Senate has???
9 posted on 12/17/2005 6:54:50 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Yeah!


10 posted on 12/17/2005 6:55:38 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
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I didn't see it in the article, but this is on top of several miles of Normandy Barriers already in place in the National Parks along the border.

Great first step, and wonderful news about Jim Kolbe deciding not to chance defeat in this go'round!

11 posted on 12/17/2005 7:32:37 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Plug the dike ~ Drain the swamp ~)
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To: Paladin2

Seems to work for the Israelis. A good start for Arizona.


12 posted on 12/17/2005 7:37:14 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: kellynla

"Now lets see what kind of spine the Senate has???"

It was removed, reduced to bone meal, and sold for fertilizer years ago.


13 posted on 12/17/2005 7:38:49 AM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed; planekT; glock rocks
"Now lets see what kind of spine the Senate has???"

It was removed, reduced to bone meal, and sold for fertilizer years ago.

It was removed, replaced with raw fertilizer. The original spine was reduced to bone meal, and sold for fertilizer years ago. Most Committee members have adjusted to the new odor with no signs of distress, quite similar to steers after castration as calves.

14 posted on 12/17/2005 8:01:06 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: Paladin2

>>On Friday, Republican leaders wouldn't allow a vote on the volatile citizenship proposal.<<

Now we need to push for English Only and stopping the 'anchor baby' idiocy.


15 posted on 12/17/2005 8:03:15 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: Borax Queen

This is a good start. If we don't secure the borders FIRST, then the "guest worker program" will fail as miserably as previous attempts have failed.

If we don't secure the borders FIRST, then any guest worker legislation will cause a FLOOD of illegals pouring across the borders, exponentially adding to the problems.

Secure the borders FIRST. If the Republican majorities and the Republican administration can't do that, then we throw them out in 2006 and 2008. It's that simple.

It's not as complicated as the pro-illegals politicians are trying to make it sound. We don't have to do EVERYTHING at once, like they say when we tell them to secure the borders first.

If we don't secure the borders FIRST, then the destruction of the U. S. A is certain.


16 posted on 12/17/2005 8:15:34 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace
If we don't secure the borders FIRST, then the destruction of the U. S. A is certain.

That's a fact!

17 posted on 12/17/2005 9:14:54 AM PST by c-b 1
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To: B4Ranch; All

The roll call votes are up. Hayworth voted against the bill, he said, because it didn't do enough. The rest are the usual suspects.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll661.xmlhttp://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll661.xml


Repubs voting No or not voting at all:

Bartlett (MD)
Diaz-Balart, L.
Nunes
LeachHastings (WA)
Hayworth
Radanovich
Ros-Lehtinen
Souder
Thomas
Smith (NJ)
Tiberi
Turner
Wilson (NM)

Not voting

Barrett (SC)
Barton (TX)
Cole (OK)
Davis, Jo Ann
Diaz-Balart, M.
Hyde
Istook
Kolbe
LaHood
Young (AK)
Young (FL)


18 posted on 12/17/2005 9:19:47 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Borax Queen
It's a start, but talk is cheap, and we want to see results before we vote for any more of these OBL slaves.

The next thing many of us want to hear is that they will go ahead and address the "anchor baby" invasion and put a stop to it. We simply cannot afford to support invaders anymore.

19 posted on 12/17/2005 9:31:40 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: B4Ranch

Moooo. Si. ;-)


20 posted on 12/17/2005 9:46:47 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: planekT

Pedro, Remember when you were a toro. Now you are a vaca, next time I'll cut your tail off too. Get your skinny ass back across the border, NOW! Movimiento! Mi cuchillo es agudo y soy rápido.


21 posted on 12/17/2005 10:11:17 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


22 posted on 12/17/2005 11:56:05 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Borax Queen; Mind-numbed Robot; nicmarlo
"Bush has proposed that undocumented immigrants be allowed to get three-year work visas. They could extend those for an additional three years, but would then have to return to their home countries for a year to apply for a new work permit."

But don't forget, Bush is opposed to any amnesty.

Sure he is...

23 posted on 12/17/2005 12:34:38 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Borax Queen
Nice to hear the OBL'ers squeal. They sure are pathetic, aren't they?
24 posted on 12/17/2005 7:08:06 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest

It's ridiculous. I'm so tired of hearing "awww, but we all came from immigrants" and "awwww, but they only want to work harder than lazy Americans" and all the rest of the party lines.


25 posted on 12/17/2005 7:10:45 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

How long to build it, and qwhen will they start??


26 posted on 12/18/2005 2:07:15 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: janetgreen

They will break ground in 2008, and it will be completed the same year we create West Mexico.


27 posted on 12/18/2005 2:09:30 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

True, they have to somehow stall and and make us think they are doing something until the big plan for the peasants comes to fruition in 2010.


28 posted on 12/18/2005 6:27:47 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

This is fantastic. Looks like even a handful of Dems came on board as well.


29 posted on 12/18/2005 6:29:33 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: WatchingInAmazement
Hayworth voted against the bill, he said, because it didn't do enough.

Hmm...well maybe this wasn't as good as I thought.

30 posted on 12/18/2005 6:31:22 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Borax Queen
"Another provision that was not voted on was one that would have denied citizenship to babies born in this country to illegal entrants."

This is one that seriously needs to be addressed. Another is their seemingly unlimited access to "free" services.

" Plans call for at least two layers of reinforced fencing, plus the installation of additional barriers, roads, lighting, cameras and sensors."

They'd better make sure it includes a plan to prevent tunneling. The invasion of parasites will not be easily deterred.

"And thirdly, you have to deal with the 10, 11, 12 million people who are already in this country illegally."

Buses. Lots of buses....and armed escorts.

"There is nothing that is solution-oriented in this piece of legislation,"

I guess it depends on what your definition of "solution" is. It looks to me like a heck of a good start, if it ever actually gets implemented. It needs to be more comprehensive though.

"they could have "disastrous economic consequences for our country" given the high demand for foreign workers."

I think what he really meant to say was,"they could have "disastrous economic consequences for illegals and those who hire them our country" if lawmakers given give in to the high demands for foreign workers Americans are making that they secure the borders."

31 posted on 12/18/2005 7:08:27 PM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: sweetliberty

Bump!


32 posted on 12/18/2005 8:45:53 PM PST by Borax Queen
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