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A writ of Habeas Corpus in Medicine [“homophobia” or “extreme bias” to be a psychiatric illness!]
Clueless Christian ^ | 12/18/2005 | Dr. Shari deSilva

Posted on 12/18/2005 3:05:55 PM PST by sionnsar

We need a writ of Habeas Corpus in Medicine. Somebody Sue us PLEASE!

Filed under: General — clueless @ 5:01 pm

“Now I am going to do my level best to get these diagnoses expunged from your record, but I cannot do this without your assistance. That means that you have to stop saying stupid things for the fun of yanking everybody’s chain. You can’t afford it! Is that clear?”

By the time I had finished, my face was flushed, my 14 year old patient was in tears, and my office manager had stuck her head into the examination room to find out why I had raised my voice.

We Americans enjoy more rights than any other nation on earth. Not only do we have our “Bill of Rights”, which are the rights guaranteed in the first 10 amendments to the Constitution, but some rights are so fundamental that they are enshrined in the Constitution herself. The right of Habeas Corpus (Latin for “produce the body”) is so basic a freedom that it is guaranteed specifically in the Constitution (Article One, Section Nine, Paragraph Two). This gem of Anglo-Saxon common law, preceded the Norman invasion, and was written into the Magna Carta in 1215. Since then the right of Habeas Corpus has found her way into the English Bill of Rights, and from there to our own Constitution. Nothing could be more basic than the right of Habeas Corpus which states that no individual may be taken up on charges and imprisoned indefinitely. Such individuals, must, MUST under law, be brought to court, judged by a jury of his peers, be given the opportunity to defend himself, and be found guilty before he can be (in the language of the Magna Carta) “imprisoned or sisseised or exiled or in any way destroyed” .

Indeed, the whole point of the carefully crafted balancing of powers, by our nation’s founders, was to arrange it such that no branch of the federal government could ever become so powerful, that it could abridge these our basic freedoms. The power of the Presidency is checked by Congress and the Judiciary. The power of Congress is checked by the President and the Judiciary. Judges are appointed by the president and confirmed (and impeached) by Congress. No branch of the federal or state government could ever grow so strong as to overthrow so basic a freedom as the one that states that no man may be imprisoned without charge.

Only doctors are allowed to do that.

Which is what my patient had run into. She was a fairly unexceptional teenager until her biological mother moved to a different state with her new boyfriend and she failed to fit comfortably into the new family unit. She continued to get reasonably good grades in regular classes, was not sexually active, and never had any trouble with the law. However, she failed to get along with her mother’s boyfriend and openly campaigned to be allowed to live with her dad (who was also in a new “relationship”). When the usual teenage sulking and defiance failed to be helpful, she took a page from one of the teen magazines she was reading. This told the touching tale of a teenager who was “misunderstood” and began “cutting herself”. This self mutilation made the storybook parents realize how truly unhappy the storybook teenager was, and what fools they, the storybook parents, were. This in turn gave birth to a new and wonderful relationship between the fictional teenager and her parents, in which they all learned to understand and appreciate one another. Now my patient was not quite brave or stupid enough to actually cut herself, however with some difficulty she did manage to make a couple of painful, if not precisely blood-drawing, scratches on her skin with a safety pin. Then she called 911, sobbed to the police radio operator that she was miserable, that nobody understood her, and that she was going to “slash her wrists” and waited, her wounded wrists quite unnecessarily bound with toilet paper (there being no blood), for everybody to start being nice to her.

Unfortunately she was well insured.

This is why three months later, after she had been released from an inpatient psychiatry unit with diagnoses of Major Depression and Oppositional Defiant Disorder with possible Bipolar illness, she was seeing me. I am not a psychiatrist, nor do I wish to be. However since there are no child psychiatrists in my part of the country, and since I happen to be the only neurologist who sees poor kids in a three hundred mile radius, I tend to get folks with psychiatric diagnoses sent to me from their family physician with a referal diagnosis of “behavioral disturbance, rule out seizure”. By the time my patient saw me, she had run out of insurance, and her grandmother was now her guardian. (The mother’s boy friend had refused to keep her, and the father’s girl friend also did not want a teenager who was “mentally handicapped”). By this time also, her “psychiatric diagnoses” had resulted in her missing most of a semester in school, which meant that she was in danger of being dropped from the college bound track into the track reserved for children with learning disabilities and mental illnesses, that lacked the core courses needed for college work. The patient’s grandmother was unable to make her take her medications and the teen pointed out that she felt much better off of medications than on them and that she didn’t need them anyway. Review of her extensive hospital chart corroborated the teenager’s clinical judgment. Every time she insisted that she felt fine and wanted to leave, her anti-psychotic medications would be increased in order to treat her “denial” and “delusions” of being in control. These made her sleepy but more docile and easier to manage. It doesn’t surprise me that she felt much better off of them, and I’m quite sure she didn’t need them. I’m also quite sure that she had never needed them.

My patient’s case is not an isolated one. One individual, a close friend of mine from my residency days, whom I know well, had something similar happen to her. She was a physician, had had no previous history of mental or physical illness, had excellent family supports, and in the setting of an acute family crisis went to a psychiatrist saying that she was depressed and felt that life was over for her. She was walked to the evaluation room of a nearby psychiatric hospital, and there she was urged to consent to be admitted “voluntarily” for her safety. She refused. She was then told that if she did not admit herself voluntarily, she would be admitted involuntarily and that she would probably “be in the hospital at least six weeks” if she was committed. By contrast, she was told, if she admitted herself voluntarily she could leave voluntarily as soon as staff could ensure that she was safe. My friend therefore admitted herself voluntarily, and tried to leave the next day in the company of her family who testified that they would ensure her safety. She was then told that her “treating psychiatrist” didn’t think she would be “safe” to leave for two weeks (oddly enough the maximum period for a voluntary admission that her insurance paid for). Nor was she allowed to leave “against medical advice” since this was a matter of “patient safety”. Eventually she was there five days refusing all medications thrust on her, and threats of false imprisonment had to be made by her family before the psychiatrists in charge agreed to let her have a second opinion. The consultant rendering the second opinion agreed that she was in no danger of suicide, that she had excellent family support, and the patient in question has never required psychiatric attention in the twenty years that have passed since that day.

Physicians answer to nobody when they declare that their patients have “delusions” or “hallucinations” or are “mentally ill”. Such mentally ill patients can be confined against their will indefinitely, until such time as a physician pronounces them to no longer be a danger to “themselves or others”. Indeed, the very refusal of medical care is a billable psychiatric illness according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manuel (DSM-IV) being known “noncompliance with treatment disorder” (DSM: V15.81). There is no “writ” of habeas corpus in medicine. There is no “balance of power” in medicine. Patients just trust us to do the right thing.

Which is why I was alarmed, but not really surprised to learn that the American Psychiatric Association is considering making “homophobia” or “extreme bias” a psychiatric illness treatable by “counseling” and “medications”.

“We treat racism and homophobia as delusional disorders,” said Shama Chaiken, who later became a divisional chief psychologist for the California Department of Corrections, at a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association. “Treatment with antipsychotics does work to reduce these prejudices.”

Dr. Chaiken did not mention that the usual mechanism by which treatment with antipsychotic drugs reduces such “prejudices” in otherwise healthy individuals, is by causing mild sedation. This is why antipsychotic drugs were freely used in the Soviet Union in order to discredit advocates of human rights and religious believers by pronouncing them “mentally ill,” as well as to intimidate and confuse them into altering their political postions by both pharmacological agents and the fear of indefinate incarceration. Labelling dissidents as being “mentally ill” and treating them with antipsychotic drugs is also a favorite technique of the Cuban regime. It requires no scientific justification.

We like to believe that such things can’t happen in the United States. However, even in the United States, pathologizing behavior does not require any scientific justification. Indeed, as one prominant US psychiatrist (who is in favor of making homophobia a mental illness) points out: “”Psychiatrists who are uneasy with including something like this in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual need to get used to the fact that the whole manual reflects social context. That is true of depression on down. Pathological bias is no more or less scientific than major depression.”

Exactly. Inclusion as a disease entity in the DSM-IV has never required a scientific justification. Psychiatric diseases are voted in and out of the DSM manuel by a committee of academic psychiatrists based on their “best clinical judgment”. This is how homosexuality stopped being a disease. It was “voted out” of the DSM manual in 1974 by a thin margin of politically active advocates. Feminist groups helped vote out “self-defeating personality disorder” when it was proposed due to the political implications. There is no reason why, if homosexuality can be voted out of the DSM manuel, homophobia cannot be voted in. And once it is “recognized” that homophobia, or Biblical literalism, or for that matter Christianity itself is a “pathological condition”, then psychiatrists will have a “right and duty” to incarcerate such individuals to prevent “harm to themselves or others.” There is no “due process” under the Constitution for the “mentally ill”. The Constitution, and the United States leaves such people to the mercy and justice of physicians.

Once a patient or a physician is labelled as being “mentally ill” there are all sorts of consequences. It is unlikely that my 14 year old patient will ever be able to join the military, even if she remains off medications henceforth. (The military will not accept youngsters who have had psychiatric diagnoses - including the ubiquitous if often mythical “attention deficit disorder” - that required medication after the age of 12). If I am unsuccessful in having my patient’s diagnoses expunged, her ability to qualify for either health or disability insurance for many years will also be poor. For that matter, the physician I referred to also failed to qualify for disability insurance for almost 10 years. Her “diagnosis”, however bogus, also meant that she had her medical licence suspended for six months, as she was considered “impaired” for health reasons. Had she been an airline pilot instead of a physician, her license would likely have been tabled much longer. Once “homophobia” is a mental illness, advocates with traditional Christian views will automatically be suspect, and will have their licenses stripped from them, as they will be considered “impaired” by their medical “disability”. Nor can such cases be easily reported to the press. Unlike ordinary employment or political speech, a host of “privacy” laws limits access to information when “health care” is involved. Thus, the suspicion of “mental illness” will cling to such individuals, however unfair such a designation might be, and those who label such individuals as being mentally ill, will refuse to provide documentation on the grounds of “health care privacy” laws. In addition, once “homophobia” or “extreme bias” enters the DSM-IV, even fewer physicians will raise their voices in protest, as doing so may result in them also being investigated for “mental illness”. As it is, there are few enough physicians who are willing to speak in favor of traditional values, even though it is my belief that the overwhelming majority of physicians support traditional values. Most of us learned to keep our mouths shut, and to focus on our immediate duties, sometime during medical school. Even physicians or patients who have been victimized by this sort of process are reluctant to speak up. The very fact that someone has been considered “mentally ill” is, of itself, damaging. Nobody so victimized wishes to be dragged through the media to prove the justice of their cases, even were it easier to obtain access to the health information that would justify their claims.

Our nation has built her foundation on a Constitution that protects the rights of the weak against the strong, the ignorant against the knowledgeable, and prevents powerful interest groups from muzzling free speech or imprisoning those who disagree with them. However we have left a loophole which powerful entities already use to abuse and imprison those who disagree with them.

It is time to have a writ of Habeas Corpus in Medicine. Somebody sue us PLEASE!


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1 posted on 12/18/2005 3:05:58 PM PST by sionnsar
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To: sionnsar

This is very scary. I am greatly concerned that the psychiatric and related industries do all they can to encourage business. My daughter was required to sit through several lectures/movies on cutting, supposedly to warn teenagers not to do it, but in my opinion to give them the idea. Before this lecture, she had never heard of, or considered doing such a thing. The next time she had an argument with me, she threatened to cut herself if she didn't get her own way.


2 posted on 12/18/2005 3:15:35 PM PST by generally
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To: generally

I'm glad that Patriot Act will be out of the way so I can be free and think what I want....DoH!


3 posted on 12/18/2005 3:21:57 PM PST by LearsKent
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To: sionnsar

This astounds me to think that homosexuality is considered "normal" but "homophobia" is classified as a mental illness. 1984 here we come.


4 posted on 12/18/2005 3:24:00 PM PST by generally
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To: sionnsar
Don't forget that US psychology/psychiatric profession as always been political.

In 1964, thousands of psychiatrists signed a letter stating that Goldwater was mentally disturbed.

And of course, Homosexuality was thought of as a mental illness for years.
5 posted on 12/18/2005 3:25:06 PM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: generally
“homophobia” or “extreme bias” to be a psychiatric illness!

The article and the headline went in two differentdirections, so now I'm mainly confused.

But grasping at the frail hope that the headline is more correct, can I count on being freely out of the "homophobia closet"?
Is not a psychiatric disorder an absolute defense for thought crimes?

6 posted on 12/18/2005 3:25:31 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: rcocean
And of course, Homosexuality was thought of as a mental illness for years millenia.

There. I fixed it.

7 posted on 12/18/2005 3:26:56 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: sionnsar
Someone should apply to Berkley and claim that they deserve affirmative action status because they are suffering from the medically recognized disabilities of "homophobia" and "extreme hatred of hippies."

"Sorry Professor Moonbeam, I didn't finish my giant Bush puppet for the anti-capitalism rally because my dang Homophobia was acting up again last night. The constant Brokeback Mountain hype is really hard to avoid these days don't you know."

8 posted on 12/18/2005 3:27:30 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: little jeremiah

You wouldn't want to miss this one.


9 posted on 12/18/2005 3:27:35 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Merry Christmas!")
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To: sionnsar
The very term "homophobia" is silly.

Phobia: A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.

It's not a phobia, it's an opinion. The term was created to insult the people who don't agree with their stance.

10 posted on 12/18/2005 3:32:16 PM PST by NJRighty (Liberals interpreting the Constitution? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!)
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To: AZ_Cowboy; DirtyHarryY2K

Thanks - have been very busy lately, but will be back pinging pretty soon. You can always alert DirtyHarryY2K too!


11 posted on 12/18/2005 3:40:23 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: NJRighty

Not all dislikes, fears or even hatreds are phobias. Many are quite rational. Sometimes it is the refusal to fear or hate something that is irrational or phobic.


12 posted on 12/18/2005 3:48:46 PM PST by Restorer (Islamists want to die. We want to kill them.)
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To: sionnsar

If you are ever confronted with such problems...

Don't "refuse care." Instead, express a lack of confidence in the diagnosis and insist on a second and third opinion from doctors of your own choosing. Make no commitments saying you are unfamiliar with procedures and need to discuss with your lawyer.

In Georgia, it is scary how easy it is to be involuntarily;y committed. You just need to people to swear to a judge that you said something that indicated you are a danger to yourself or others.


13 posted on 12/18/2005 3:49:15 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: generally
[“homophobia” or “extreme bias” to be a psychiatric illness!

So if a slaughter some fags, its not a hate crime anymore - I can plead insanity?

14 posted on 12/18/2005 3:56:29 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: sionnsar
In fairness, the case I read about where the psychiatrists proposed diagnosing homophobia as a mental illness, was a man who was so consumed by thoughts that other men might be homosexuals who might be eyeing him, or making a pass at him, or contaminating things they touched, that he was totally unable to function.

Of course, characterizing all that as homophobia is a frightening stretch; it was really a form of obsessive-compulsive behaviour with a sexual component to it.

Mrs VS

15 posted on 12/18/2005 4:25:26 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: sionnsar

Another Soviet idea adopted by the liberals: if you don't accept lib-think you must be crazy.


16 posted on 12/18/2005 4:27:30 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: rcocean

" And of course, Homosexuality was thought of as a mental illness for years."

It still is, by me...


17 posted on 12/18/2005 4:44:26 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Spirochete

If "extreme bias" is now deemed a psychiatric illness, doesn't this indicate that all the fanatic Bush haters are sickos??


18 posted on 12/18/2005 4:47:27 PM PST by Ernie Page
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To: gondramB
Make no commitments , saying you are unfamiliar with procedures and need to discuss with your lawyer.

Um, is this what you meant?

19 posted on 12/18/2005 4:51:22 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: NJRighty

The term `homophobia' is not only silly, but schizoid.

Greek `homos': same. Greek `phobos': fear.

So, if I am `homophobic', I have an irrational fear of those who are the same as me, being other conservative heterosexual Christian gunowning Freepers.

Otherwise, a homophobe hates `homos'. And isn't `homo' a bigoted slang term? And aren't straight people routinely beaten up for using politically incorrect terminology?

Can't have it both ways, Brucie-woosie.


20 posted on 12/18/2005 4:52:05 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Spirochete
So if a slaughter some fags, its not a hate crime anymore - I can plead insanity?

Are you up to the treatment????

21 posted on 12/18/2005 4:52:20 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Yes, thank you.


22 posted on 12/18/2005 4:52:21 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: elcid1970

"So, if I am `homophobic', I have an irrational fear of those who are the same as me, being other conservative heterosexual Christian gunowning Freepers."


Somebody here may know definitively but I believe the origin of the word comes from the assumption that those who speak most loudly against homosexuality are afraid they may be homosexual.


23 posted on 12/18/2005 4:54:22 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: gondramB

My response was directed at the militantly offended lavender community, not at a fellow poster. My apologies for not making that clear.

But from a standpoint of correct usage, the term `homophobia' not only fails the test, but is routinely used to bludgeon dissent and is aimed at straights, as in:

"Are you homophobic!?" Challenged, I reply "Yes".

I am always met with shocked, dread silence.


25 posted on 12/18/2005 5:10:21 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: sionnsar
"This is how homosexuality stopped being a disease. It was “voted out” of the DSM manual in 1974 by a thin margin of politically active advocates."

This will be changed back. Hopefully things will not have to "bottom out" too hard before society will regains its balance.

26 posted on 12/18/2005 5:23:14 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: elcid1970

"My response was directed at the militantly offended lavender community, not at a fellow poster. My apologies for not making that clear."

And I apologize if I sounded like my post was directed at you - my point was only intended to be linguistic.


27 posted on 12/18/2005 5:42:42 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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28 posted on 12/18/2005 5:46:30 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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To: generally

God, what ever happened to them just holding they're breath?


29 posted on 12/18/2005 5:51:40 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: gondramB
Somebody here may know definitively but I believe the origin of the word comes from the assumption that those who speak most loudly against homosexuality are afraid they may be homosexual.

Uh Oh! By that logic we're all closet libs/leftists..

30 posted on 12/18/2005 6:00:24 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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To: BenLurkin

Is also shows how the whole psychiatry (not psychology) field is a crock.


31 posted on 12/18/2005 6:13:55 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

This is one scarey article. There is so much wrong being described it's hard to know what to pinpoint first.

If fewer families were destructing left and right, if fewer people were dependent on booze/legal drugs/illegal drugs, if fewer people induldged in porn, if more people took marriage vows seriously, if fewer people screwed around like cats and dogs, if more people remembered and tried to live by the Golden Rule - a lot of what is called "mental illness" would be a thing of the past.


32 posted on 12/18/2005 6:20:21 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: gondramB

That is a tactic to stop people from criticizing them.


33 posted on 12/18/2005 6:30:49 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: sionnsar

Foreboding, yes, but accurate, yes. Which is worse than foreboding because the reality of what occured in the Sovieet Union by way of "psychiatry" is among the most amoral, inhumane and vile misdeeds ever in the history of human civilization.

And, that's exactly where -- as this neurologist so accurately writes -- what exists today as "liberalism" is headed in the U.S.: a recreation of the worst from the old Soviet Union and more...communist/marxism at it's most ardent extreme.

This is an excellent article and even moreso because it's written by a physician, and a neurologist at that, given that neurologists and orthopaedists are known among other physicians to be the brightest of their classes and later, specialties.

I'm glad he explained in his own language as to the nature of the diagnosis process, also, by panels of psychiatrists, as to, especially, how homosexuality was declassified (I wrote about this a week or so ago somewhere on FR), and that it reflects social opinion and nothing else (but, the social opinion of the panelists involved, and nothing else).

Today, there seem to be many people among psychologists and psychiatrists who are apologists of and about homosexuality, if not themselves homosexuals (after listening to the latest APsychiatricAssn. President with her nasty comments about this issue...she did nothing to engender trust and confidence, let me put it that way, but seemed entirely similar to that old Soviet twisted psychology that this doctor refers to, and it gave me pause when I heard her for just that reason).

Last thing, is that, to homosexuals, almost ANYone who does not participate or sympathize is deemed "homophobic," and Christians, particularly, are assumed to be. Which emphasises to my view how disturbed most homosexuals are ("disorded" in their "thinking" to quote Pope Benedict) -- because, I know of no fear OF the affliction but I do know of dislike for the sin, rejection of the sinful and the sin. My response involves no fear, however, and most Christians I know feel similarly.

However, through the clouded, "disorded thinking" of homosexuals, to reject their choices is to "fear" homosexuality. It emphasises to me how disorded their thinking actually is, some form of obsessive compulsive paranoid something.


34 posted on 12/18/2005 7:09:26 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: sionnsar

Just like the Hildabeast's "National Health Care" solution.


35 posted on 12/18/2005 8:08:16 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: sionnsar

Though the article takes an insufferably long time to get to the point, it is a point we ignore at our own peril.


36 posted on 12/18/2005 8:20:01 PM PST by j_tull (Merry Christmas!)
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To: sionnsar; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ..

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37 posted on 12/18/2005 8:23:51 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: generally

Interesting,these 'doctors' have no problem with anti-christian behavior....Obviously,hating chrisitans and their religion is quite normal....I bet they feel having sex with children is o.k ,too!!!!!


38 posted on 12/19/2005 2:50:50 AM PST by fishbabe
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To: sionnsar

Surprise, surprise! Homophilia was no longer seen as a psychological disorder but that was not good enough. Now political incorrectness is a psychological disorder.


39 posted on 12/19/2005 6:45:49 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: Publius6961
And of course, Homosexuality was thought of as a mental illness for years millenia.

You were right the first time. It was considered a mental illness since Freud, before that it was plain old sin.

40 posted on 12/19/2005 6:49:09 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: sionnsar

I have an old friend who was married to a Freudian psychoanalyst. Many years ago, she had mysterious back problems that the physicians couldn't figure out. So her husband had her committed to a psychiatric hospital outside of Boston, under the theory that her back pains were psychosomatic.

I paid her a visit there, and it was really scary. You go in, the door closes and locks behind you, you go down all these corridors with the proverbial men in white coats. I thought I was going to go crazy just being there, and I was probably only inside for about an hour.

Later, it was found that she did have back problems, and eventually she was divorced.


41 posted on 12/19/2005 8:54:25 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: B4Ranch
That is a tactic to stop people from criticizing them.

It's a whole lot more than that. It's a grab for power, and an awful lot of it.

42 posted on 12/19/2005 9:01:01 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: TradicalRC
Now political incorrectness is a psychological disorder.

Bingo! Spot on!!

43 posted on 12/19/2005 9:03:00 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: Cicero
That is scary. I have a relative with a health problem that some considered possibly psychosomatic (though there were also reasons to consider that it wasn't). Fortunately some tests a few years back established that it wasn't, though there is nothing they can do.
44 posted on 12/19/2005 9:05:06 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: little jeremiah
If fewer families were destructing left and right, if fewer people were dependent on booze/legal drugs/illegal drugs, if fewer people indulged in porn, if more people took marriage vows seriously, if fewer people screwed around like cats and dogs, if more people remembered and tried to live by the Golden Rule - a lot of what is called "mental illness" would be a thing of the past.

Quoted for truth.

45 posted on 12/19/2005 9:53:27 AM PST by darkangel82
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Me: "Somebody here may know definitively but I believe the origin of the word comes from the assumption that those who speak most loudly against homosexuality are afraid they may be homosexual."

Dirty Harry: "Uh Oh! By that logic we're all closet libs/leftists.."

Funny you should mention that. I've only been here a short time but i have become convinced that there are more trolls here trying to goad us into taking extreme positions that will hurt the conservative movement than there are trolls who say liberal things.


46 posted on 12/19/2005 10:08:34 AM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: MillerCreek

"Foreboding, yes, but accurate, yes. Which is worse than foreboding because the reality of what occured in the Sovieet Union by way of "psychiatry" is among the most amoral, inhumane and vile misdeeds ever in the history of human civilization."

Yes.


"And, that's exactly where -- as this neurologist so accurately writes -- what exists today as "liberalism" is headed in the U.S.: a recreation of the worst from the old Soviet Union and more...communist/Marxism at it's most ardent extreme."

No.

There are real problems in the mental health community but it not like you describe. Some of the new tools are being overused or used by people who are not qualified (even worse) who have a financial motive rather than trying to help.


But many mental issues are being shown to have chemical components. There is resistance to this much as there was resistance to the idea that ulcers are usually caused by a bacterial infection and not by stress.

It doesn't do an y good to label this as liberal or communist or anything else - it is apparently the way God made us and studying and trying to help with issues is good, not bad. M.D.'s with training in psychiatry are the best choice.


47 posted on 12/19/2005 10:19:00 AM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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To: sionnsar

Have you noticed how much bigger their hands have grown in the last two decades?


48 posted on 12/19/2005 12:29:41 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: Publius6961

Perrhaps you should reread it.

The first several paragraphs were the foundation upon which the author built his fortress to take his stand.

I found this piece to be the most readable article that I have ever read that was written by a medical doctor.

I found no errors in spelling, grammar or syntax.


49 posted on 12/19/2005 12:43:09 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: sionnsar

Antipsychotics were developed so they didn't have to do permanent lobotomies.


50 posted on 12/19/2005 12:52:22 PM PST by ichabod1 (Sic Omnia Gloria Fugit)
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