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| Robert Felix
Posted on 12/19/2005 2:54:11 AM PST by beyond the sea
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This could explain a few things about warming water and melting ice.
To: beyond the sea
I hope theyre correct, but if theres a tremendous amount of magma pouring into the ocean I think we have a problem. The magma could be as much as 2,150 degrees Fahrenheit - 10 times the boiling point which could lead to much warmer seas and thence to an ice age. Where do they get these science writers? Good grief!
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:03:06 AM PST
by
burzum
(Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
To: beyond the sea
ring of fire bump for johnny
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:08:35 AM PST
by
sure_fine
(*not one to over kill the thought process*)
To: burzum
I could never understand the "warming oceans equals new ice age" logic, either. It's all a bunch of hooey. They're just covering all the bases so no matter what happens they can come back and say: "See? We were right!"
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:08:56 AM PST
by
manwiththehands
("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
To: beyond the sea
This could explain a few things about warming water and melting ice.No matter, it's still Bush's fault.
Here's my preferred means of melting ice, with a bit of tonic mixed in:
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:10:51 AM PST
by
Night Hides Not
(Closing in on 2500 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
To: burzum
...which could lead to much warmer seas and thence to an ice age...Where do they get these science writers? Good grief! If you're referring to the comment about warmer seas leading to an ice age, that's not so ridiculous; warmer seas lead to more atmospheric moisture which snows out at the poles etc... but I suspect that a source with a name like "iceagenow" may not be perfectly unbiased.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:12:24 AM PST
by
Grut
To: burzum
if theres a tremendous amount of magma pouring into the ocean I think we have a problem. The magma could be as much as 2,150 degrees Fahrenheit - 10 times the boiling pointI have no idea how hot magma is. I just heard about the heat of McDonald's hot coffee.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:13:53 AM PST
by
beyond the sea
(Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
To: manwiththehands
No, I was specifically commenting on the fact that the writer thought that 2150 F is ten times the boiling point.
Of what? Water at atmospheric pressure?
That temperature is 373 K. 2150 F is 1450 K, certainly not ten times the value. In any other case (such as the boiling point of water under high pressure--such as the bottom of the ocean), the ratio is even lower.
A person who writes about science should know better. A first year physics student would know better. It is obvious that the author forgot about the thermodynamic temperature scale.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:15:05 AM PST
by
burzum
(Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
To: beyond the sea
Shoot! If only we had signed Kyoto...
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:17:02 AM PST
by
Pusterfuss
(Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
To: sure_fine
ring of fire bump for johnnyLOL
Ring of Fire
http://www.crystalinks.com/rof.html
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:19:23 AM PST
by
beyond the sea
(Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
To: beyond the sea
See, this is what happens when you don't ratify the Kyoto Accord. Rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere coupled with oil drilling in Alaska has raised the temperature of the earth's crust...
"Underwater volcano erupting 700 miles SE of Tokyo - July 3, 2005 - The coast guard sent helicopters to monitor a huge column of steam more than half-a-mile wide rising above the Pacific Ocean southeast of Tokyo, and warned ships to stay away. The water in the area was brick-red."
Soon, Godzilla will be destroying Tokyo and there is nothing any one will be able to do to stop it.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:19:53 AM PST
by
Left2Right
("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
To: burzum
The magma could be as much as 2,150 degrees Fahrenheit - 10 times the boiling point Hey - 2150 degrees F = 1177 degrees C - that's over ELEVEN times the boiling point !!!
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:19:57 AM PST
by
Izzy Dunne
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To: Night Hides Not
LOL.
I could use something right about now to melt the compacted snow and ice on my 650 foot driveway.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:21:09 AM PST
by
beyond the sea
(Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
To: Izzy Dunne
I hope you are joking, but if you are not: convert your values to kelvins and then compare.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:22:30 AM PST
by
burzum
(Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
To: burzum
I hope you are joking Yes, I know how to operate a thermometer.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:24:21 AM PST
by
Izzy Dunne
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To: Grut; burzum; Night Hides Not; manwiththehands
but I suspect that a source with a name like "iceagenow" may not be perfectly unbiased.That's true, but some times some things are just facts. These volcanoes are a reality.
We know more about our solar system than we do about under our oceans and the interior of the earth.
;-)
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:24:48 AM PST
by
beyond the sea
(Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
To: beyond the sea
India Daily? That's a New Jersey-based sham news blog.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:30:09 AM PST
by
CarrotAndStick
(The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
To: burzum
Boiling point at sea level is 212 F so, since he's talking F for the temp of the magma, I guess that's where he figured it's 10 times the boiling point of water.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:40:21 AM PST
by
saganite
(The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
To: CarrotAndStick
That's a New Jersey-based sham news blog.Which paper broke the Monica story? Which paper broke the Jesse Jackson fathering a child outside his marriage story?
Sometimes the "rags" get it right.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:41:19 AM PST
by
beyond the sea
(Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? --- Victory is not a strategy.)
To: beyond the sea
I always have to be careful when interpreting geophysical actions into changes in climate. For example many scientists believe that the great end of Permian extinction event that occured 250 million years ago was due to immense volcanic activity. Some say that the volcanic activity may have superheated the Earth's atmosphere while others say it may have sent up ash that blocked out the sunlight cooling the atmosphere. Vastly different estimations from roughly the same event.
In this case we are talking about under-ocean volcanoes warming the oceans. I'm not sure that I agree with that argument. It's not that I don't think that underwater volcanoes wouldn't heat the oceans (they probably would if they were not allowed to send any ejecta into the atmosphere), it's just that I don't think I agree with the premise that the ring of fire has gone into a super-active phase. I studied geophysics for 2 years before I got sick of it and one thing I learned is that the Earth rarely suddenly changes its behavior. Volcanic activity will scale up over millions or billions of years, not tens of years. If there is a high value for one year it will be averaged out statistically.
I give a lot more credibility to arguments that the Sun, CO2, or methane gas hydrate release is warming the oceans than to a change in the Earth itself. It's a positive feedback cycle: the Sun heats the oceans which emit CO2 and methane, which further heats the atmosphere as greenhouse gasses. Obviously there must be some negative feedback cycle or the Earth would have long ago spiraled off into oblivion. I'm guessing that that negative feedback is due to plankton and phytoplankton that thrive at higher temperatures, reflecting more sunlight away.
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posted on
12/19/2005 3:43:01 AM PST
by
burzum
(Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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