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Christian 'megapastor' blasts believers on Dec. 25 dispute (defends decision to close)
World Net Daily ^ | December 19, 2005

Posted on 12/19/2005 6:23:54 AM PST by NYer

With many large churches across the U.S. announcing they won't be open on Christmas Day, some pastors are defending their decision to stay closed, even going so far as to blast those who question their motives.

Among them is Jon Weece, pastor of Southland Christian Church in Lexington, Ky., who received complaint e-mails from Christians in all 50 states.

"I was deeply saddened by the knee-jerk response of the Christian community as a whole to give the benefit of the doubt to the media and not a church or a brother in Christ," Weece said in his Dec. 10 sermon. "I'm still troubled that more Christians in this community specifically did not stand up for us knowing what this church represents."

(Audio of the entire sermon is available here.)

Weece blamed Satan the devil for using the Christmas issue as a distraction, prompting Christians to bicker among themselves.

"People are not the enemy," he said. "The devil is, and it is obvious that he has been at work in this situation."

Weece said the services being offered on Christmas Eve were still technically the "first day of the week" if one went by the custom of starting days at sunset, which some believe was the case in Jesus' day.

He went on to note: "Christmas began as a pagan holiday to the Roman gods, and if we were to really celebrate the historical birth of Jesus, it would either be in January or mid-April. I'm only pointing out the historical technicalities not out of intellectual arrogance, but again because of the illogical, ill-informed and even hypocritical arguments that were aimed at me personally this last week."

Weece also said Jesus himself walked all over opinion and tradition: "Do not lose sight of the controversy that Jesus incited by turning traditions on their head. And always remember in the economy of Jesus, the one whose birthday so many are claiming to be so passionate about, Jesus placed value and emphasis on people over policy and procedure and protocol every single time."

Meanwhile, the largest Christian church in South Florida has reversed itself on its closure Christmas Day, and now says it will be open for a single service next Sunday morning, Dec. 25.


Calvary Chapel of Fort Lauderdale now promoting its Christmas Day service online after initially announcing a Dec. 25 closure

Calvary Chapel of Fort Lauderdale originally decided to give its members and workforce a day off to spend with their families on Christmas, even though it falls on Sunday, its traditional day of worship. Instead, it had scheduled a slate of extra services for Saturday night, Christmas Eve.


Pastor Bob Coy

"I've been called a bad person and a shame to Christianity," pastor Bob Coy told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "It made me realize that many people misunderstood our motives."

But after an onslaught of negative public reaction from both inside and outside his congregation, Coy had a change of heart.

"Say it isn't so," read one e-mail, according to Coy. "You're shutting your doors on Jesus' birthday. I'm appalled at the message you're sending to the community."

Coy also was advised by some church members who said they wouldn't be able to attend services on Christmas Eve, and preferred to come on the actual holiday.

"Christmas is filled with unrealistic expectations," he said. "I don't want to fuel that. If people need Jesus on Christmas, I want to make Him available."

The entire issue has exacerbated the national Christmas controversy at a time which many believe is supposed to harken back to the Gospel of Luke's "peace on Earth."

"There is no biblical mandate that we meet on Sunday, only that we meet," writes Larry Baden in an online messageboard. "This is clearly a nonessential issue. Nobody's orthodoxy stands or falls on having a Sunday service. Nobody's salvation depends on having a Sunday service."

Minister Jeff Chitwood contends: "I think the issue centers on canceling worship on a day that is supposed to be centered on Christ. Too many times the church accuses the world of taking Christ out of Christmas but now the church is the one changing things because a day centered on Christ conflicts with schedules. What kind of message does it send to those who we have condemned in the past? At our church we are rescheduling service times but not eliminating the opportunity to worship on a day centered on Christ."

One poster said true worship is about much more than just singing or attending a church service.

"The way I greet my family when I go home from work is an act of worship. The way I talk to my co-workers. The dedication I give to my employer. The passion and inspiration I find in teaching or writing or editing or reading or mowing the lawn or ironing my shirts. ...

"Let's all just focus on God this Sunday. He's a big Guy. I'm sure those who look for him will find him – even if they don't set foot in a church building."


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To: JeffAtlanta
That is not showing devotion toward God, it's bowing to social and cultural pressures.

You say. I say that someone attending Church because the Church, speaking as God's representative on earth, mandates you attend, that person is obeying God. Not "social and cultural pressures." The Church is not a social club.

SD

61 posted on 12/19/2005 8:08:22 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Bainbridge; SoothingDave
But I think you're overlooking the difference between whether individual laypeople go to church on Sunday or Saturday night, and whether the church itself provides an opportunity for the laypeople to attend on Christmas when it falls on a Sunday.

It's one thing for an individual to decide that he's going to sleep in on Sunday/Christmas or open his presents, and just go to the Saturday service instead or not go at all. That is his individual decision and affects only him.

But when the church decides to close on Christmas, it affects every single parishioner. Even if they had made a personal, individual decision to attend on Christmas Day.

Doesn't directly concern us Catholics of course, because Mass is celebrated 24/7/365, whether anybody shows up or not. We had a really bad ice storm last winter, roads were bad and power was out at the church. My husband sees any snow and ice as a personal challenge, so he and my son went to church anyhow (daughter and I were out of town.)

It was a tiny service, maybe 10-20 people there out of a very large parish. The folks who were there organized to act as altar servers, scratch up a (a capella) choir, and get the job done. It was a heart-warming event. But even if nobody at all showed up the priest would have celebrated Mass anyway.

62 posted on 12/19/2005 8:09:16 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: teenagebambam
In the Episcopal Church, and I imagine in the Catholic Church as well, the mass is performed whether there are parishioners there or not. I know an Episcopal priest who often sleeps at the Church when threatening weather is called for, in case he's not able to get there on Sunday morning. And if no one shows up, mass goes on as scheduled anyway.

Yep. I believe there has to be at least one other person present, besides the priest, because the Mass is a public, not a private event. If one believes that the Eucharist brings blessings and grace into the world, and it is the reason God instituted the Church why would any day go by without it? The Mass has greater benefits for the world than just for those physically present.

SD

63 posted on 12/19/2005 8:11:00 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: NYer

Jesus was not likely born in December.

At the time of Christ's birth, the shepherds tended their flocks in the fields at night.

(Luke 2:8) Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.

A common practice of shepherds was keeping their flocks in the field from April to October, but in the cold and rainy winter months they took their flocks back home and sheltered them.

As these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is likely that October had not yet commenced.

The Bible indicates that each individual believer has been given a great deal of freedom in determining specific days of observance.

(Rom 14:5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


64 posted on 12/19/2005 8:11:09 AM PST by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: NYer
Weece blamed Satan the devil for using the Christmas issue as a distraction, prompting Christians to bicker among themselves.

"Was it Satan? ... Isn't that special."

65 posted on 12/19/2005 8:11:38 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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To: pilipo
I view the coincidence of the 25th being on a Sunday as a wonderful opportunity to celebrate His birth in His house on His day.

Perhaps I'm missing something here but don't the evangelical churches normally hold services on Sunday? There is a large one near me and their parking lot is always overflowing on Sundays. So, why would a church that is normally open on Sunday close on this Sunday, just because it also happens to be Christmas? What is it that I am not understanding?

66 posted on 12/19/2005 8:12:21 AM PST by NYer ("Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: j_k_l
I have read the Bible from cover to cover and have never seen this. Was this a "personal revelation"?

Maybe you should read it again. Consider, the prophets of the Old Testament for example. Did they love the Lord or did they serve him just because they were forced?

How about John the Baptist? Did he love to spread the gospel or was it just a chore that performed. The list goes on and on. You couldn't stop Paul to stop spreading the word after his conversion. The list goes on and on.

Contrast this will the many evil leaders that chronicled in the Old Testament. Many of them did exactly what they were "obligated" to do but not one thing more. The God of the bible is not stupid - he saw through this attempt at lip service.

67 posted on 12/19/2005 8:14:57 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: SoothingDave; Capriole
But I've always understood that only Catholics can take part in a mass and receive the Eucharist. Isn't that true?

I'll add one additional qualification. Non-Catholics can participate in everything except actually receiving the Eucharist. You can even go up to the altar rail with your arms crossed over your chest and receive a blessing from the priest (many folks who are afraid they have a mortal sin on their conscience and haven't made it to confession will do this too.)

But there is ONE exception to this general rule, which my husband and I took advantage of. You'll find it in Canon 844 of the Church. In an emergency, IF you believe in all the doctrines of the Catholic church (Transubstantiation and the supremacy of the Pope are the usual sticking points), IF you ask permission ahead of time and of your own volition, and IF no minister of your own denomination is available, you MAY receive.

We did this when we were orphaned Episcopalians, after the awful General Convention when the homosexual adulterous "bishop" was "consecrated". We could no longer remain in communion with a heretical denomination, and since we were nosebleed-high Anglicans anyhow, there were absolutely no points of doctrinal difference (other than the validity of Anglican orders!) But we called on the Rector and talked it over with him first, and it was absolutely his call. (His opinion was that the ECUSA "bishop" was a walking emergency, all by himself.) < g >

68 posted on 12/19/2005 8:16:10 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: NYer
Perhaps I'm missing something here but don't the evangelical churches normally hold services on Sunday? There is a large one near me and their parking lot is always overflowing on Sundays. So, why would a church that is normally open on Sunday close on this Sunday, just because it also happens to be Christmas? What is it that I am not understanding?

Some of these megachurches say they need "thousands" of volunteers for a normal service (and you thought we had armies of EMCs) and that it is difficult to get so many on the holiday. And anyway, the last time this happened on a Sunday, few people showed up anyway. So they just called the whole thing off.

It speaks a lot to the state of the megachurch and its attendees.

SD

69 posted on 12/19/2005 8:17:04 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: JamesP81
Who do you think is pleased more by church being closed, God or Satan?

Well, if we take your example further, then shouldn't "church" be open and congregants expected to attend every day?

Tradition elevated to equal status with Scripture is exactly what Jesus spoke against. Are we listening?

70 posted on 12/19/2005 8:19:22 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: NYer

Well, I am not convinced you are missing anything, but, if you are - I am too.

Evangelical churches indeed normally hold services on Sunday. The reason given as to why our church is not holding a service is so that families can spend Christmas together, the assumption being that we otherwise wouldn't.

? - go figure.

Again, I don't think you are 'not understanding", I think you get it.


71 posted on 12/19/2005 8:20:35 AM PST by pilipo (Merry Christmas!!)
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To: SoothingDave
Not "social and cultural pressures." The Church is not a social club.

Most of latin america is Catholic due only to social and cultural pressures. Unless they went to a Catholic school, I doubt less than 1 in 10 could quote one bible verse or even intelligently explain the church's teachings. I doubt that even less would be able to name any of the minor prophets or what their teachings were.

To be fair, I doubt that many Protestants could either. Like Catholics, the vast majority of Protestants are Christians and specifically protestant, only because of family, social and cultural norms.

There is a reason why demonations tend to clump together geographically.

72 posted on 12/19/2005 8:21:36 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

>>but this is a pretty petty issue<<

You may see it as such, but I think altering the worship schedule to accommodate the comfort of men is not such a petty thing, and can be quite the slippery slope.

This isn't as much of a Saturday/Sunday worship issue, as it is an issue of making excuses to justify laziness and the whole seeker-sensitivity movement. The "worship God in your own way" line of thinking, instead of worshipping God in HIS way.

Look at the motive behind the excuses. It's all for the convenience of men - and once a church starts compromising for such a reason, it sets a bad precedent for the future.

>>Don't be upset when your flavor of Christianity comes under fire.<<

lol...Reformers have been under fire since the days of Martin Luther. This isn't a popularity contest.


73 posted on 12/19/2005 8:21:48 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: dawn53
we are not "forsaking the assembling of ourselves" as the Scripture says,

That verse has been taken so out of context that it would be laughable if it were not so sad.

We need to read it in context of when it was written to better understand it.

But hey, that's never stopped us before from building doctrine.

74 posted on 12/19/2005 8:23:09 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: khnyny
If people who profess to be Christian cannot get themselves to Church on Christmas, then they really are lost.

What is God's address?

75 posted on 12/19/2005 8:25:14 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: NYer

I'm continually amazed at how much attention people pay to what someone ELSE'S church does. Five churches in the country close on Christmas, and everyone else is in a tizzy. I don't go to any of those churches, and will be at Christmas service. I just don't get it.


76 posted on 12/19/2005 8:25:29 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
You may see it as such, but I think altering the worship schedule to accommodate the comfort of men is not such a petty thing, and can be quite the slippery slope.

For non-Catholics who believe that they have a direct pipeline to God and don't have to go through the church to get to Him, attending church just for the sake of attending is legalism and ritualistic.

For example, if a person wakes up on Sunday and feels like he needs some alone time with God, there is nothing wrong with staying home, praying and reading the bible.

To Catholics I can see where this can seem like a foreign concept, but yet they get upset when protestants feel that they've put Mary (just a person) on a undeserved pedestal.

77 posted on 12/19/2005 8:28:19 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: xzins
think they send an awful message, but it is not a sinful decision, imo.

But the Bible says that "he who knows the right thing to do and doesn't do it, to him it is sin." (James 4:17)

How is "sending an awful message" not a sin?

Could it be that your own tradition has polluted your mind?

78 posted on 12/19/2005 8:29:51 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: NYer
Well, no thanks. We'll be in a congregation of believers that still believes, along with its "bishop" (1 Timothy 3:1) that the Bible is the Word of God without error, given by inspiration of God, is the seed of the New Birth, and is true plenarily.
79 posted on 12/19/2005 8:31:35 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: NYer

In the picture you posted, what's the outfit being worn? What is it with the particular way of folding of the hands, etc.?


80 posted on 12/19/2005 8:32:39 AM PST by Free Baptist
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