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Democrats Say They Didn't Back Wiretapping
Yahoo (AP) ^ | 12/20/2005 | KATHERINE SHRADER

Posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:32 AM PST by The_Victor

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To: cpdiii
Well....There's the Rockefeller Memo....And Hillary's statement of an "October Surprise" which may be associated.

Hillary's latest blooper: "Cheney should go to Iraq"...a statement which caused a "look" from Cheney who was scheduled to leave for Iraq a few hours later.

121 posted on 12/20/2005 7:51:59 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: cpdiii

I'm not absulutely sure if I heard right, but I thought Pelosi said yesterday that he never sent it.


122 posted on 12/20/2005 7:53:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: The_Victor
I have referenced the president specifically asking for this new form of surveillance and him getting it in this thread.
124 posted on 12/20/2005 7:56:09 AM PST by rabidralph (How 'bout them Redskins?!)
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To: The_Victor

BFD. They don't bacl America either.

Come onnnnnnn 06 elections!


125 posted on 12/20/2005 7:57:40 AM PST by funkywbr
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To: The_Victor

"Jay Rockefeller - Village Idiot
Posted by bulldogpundit on Tuesday, 20 December 2005 (09:50:53) EST
Contributed by bulldogpundit

Looks like the Democrat response/defense to President Bush's claim that Senate Democrats were consulted about domestic surveillance is as follows: "We're Too Stupid To Understand What You Were Consulting Us About".

Click READ MORE to see our analysis of the Democrats latest strategy, and why it's a disaster politically.

We found out today that the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee,Senator Jay Rockefeller wrote a letter to VP Cheney saying:
Quote:
" As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney. Given the security restrictions with this program, and my inability to consult staff or counsel of my own, I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities."

And apparently you are not a person with a double digit IQ either, Senator. In case you didn't know, your job is "oversight", and if you had questions about the tactics or the legality of it, why didn't you simply ask the NSA, the Justice Dept., or the Administration officials about the specifics.

What he's really concerned with, in my opinion, is the inability to talk to staff and his own lawyers he felt confident would promptly leak the information. What other explanation is there? Although it's possible that Rockefeller is such a dolt that he needs people to explain phone taps (and ABC's) to him.

We also learned that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Bob Graham and Tom Daschle were also briefed. Apparently they're upset because they didn't get the names and numbers of all the people under surveillance.

Keep in mind folks, this is a party whose biggest weakness is that voters don't trust them on issues of national security. Now, their ranking member on the Intelligence Committee is claiming he can't give support to a program that keeps us safe from terrorists until he consults staff and lawyers? Add that to the complaints of Democratic leaders about the program itself and one wonders if they really thought through their political strategy in dealing with this issue.

Is this really the image they want to project to voters in wartime? Well, I guess it is, if you have to cater to the Moveon.org's and Daily Kos's of the world.

If I were giving advice to the Democrats, I would suggest that they refrain from making any further comments on this issue. As the saying goes - "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Thanks though, Jay Rockefeller and company, for speaking and removing all doubt."

source for above:
http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2837


126 posted on 12/20/2005 7:59:17 AM PST by frankjr
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To: The_Victor

If a DemoRat had been in the White House since 9/11/01 we would have been attacked in the U.S. several more times. The terrorists would have killed thousands more civilians in NY subways, DC, LA, etc. and would have completely wrecked our economy. The DemoRats are The Enemy Within. President Bush has defended the United States. Repeal the 22nd amendment. FOUR MORE YEARS!


127 posted on 12/20/2005 8:00:30 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: funkywbr

Democrats are desperately, desperately trying to find a reason to impeach Bush. The thought of impeaching Bush drives fundraising with the hopes to regaining the House. The Valeria Flame(out) case went nowhere, no WMD went nowhere, so now there are on to this canard.

Just like the others, this will go nowhere. Dems don't care, remember its not the facts of the case, but the seriousness of the charge.


128 posted on 12/20/2005 8:01:29 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in blue state)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Now watch them take the stupid defense.."we are too stupid to understand all of this- but damn it we don't like it."

I love this!! Barbra Streisand would be the perfect spokeswoman for that defense.

129 posted on 12/20/2005 8:04:33 AM PST by syriacus (Murtha wants our troops redeployed. I wonder how he'd feel about redeploying them to Iran.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
This is a little tricky to dissect...It was not a domestic spy program that is true....in other words, US Citizens were not the Targets....However, they could become targets if they are conspiring with the enemy.

The idea that you can't have surveillance of a US citizen who is communicating with suspected terrorists is ludicrous on its face.

I remember....a long time ago....some kind of a discussion that CIA is foreign, FBI is domestic intelligence. I'm guessing there has to be some kind of overlap to make surveillance effective that is not being properly noted.

Regardless....There is a FISA site you can visit. It's very informative.

Schummer and Kyle were very active in this. Shummer=Hillary's Boot licker.

130 posted on 12/20/2005 8:08:36 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Tarpon

Echelon and Carnivore were designed to 'circumvent' laws or political controversy.

We have 'engines' that search intl phone traffic from Austrialia, England, etc.

We tell them what we found, they have equipment to search our intl calls, and report to us what they found.

Good system. Was started in principle way before Clinton was even a governor.

The only calls they 'monitor' are the ones that Echelon kicks out as suspicious, due to patterns, keywords, etc.

Not much can avoid being intercepted if it is wireless.
No matter where it is at.


131 posted on 12/20/2005 8:12:49 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: newconhere

Ignorance in the electorate is what the Dims seek...


132 posted on 12/20/2005 8:13:50 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: The_Victor

This MUST be investigated and the leakers prosecuted for the traitors that they are!
Sign the petition here:
http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/investigatetheleaks/


133 posted on 12/20/2005 8:14:52 AM PST by Chickenhawk Warmonger (Merry Christmas to All!)
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To: frankjr

Great "column"! Thanks for posting it.


134 posted on 12/20/2005 8:15:38 AM PST by syriacus (Murtha wants our troops redeployed. I wonder how he'd feel about "redeploying" them to Iran.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Common sense tells me that neither the courts or Congress can prevent the President from doing what is necessary to protect the country. The President might agree to take some additional steps, but those steps can, in no way, be binding.


135 posted on 12/20/2005 8:16:53 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: The_Victor

Break out the Roll Call of the meetings in which every politician was informed of the NSA Authorization. Blast it on the news stations or hold a press conference to announce them, if the MSM won't carry the news.


136 posted on 12/20/2005 8:17:40 AM PST by jw777
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To: The_Victor

"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," ...Then WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ON THIS COMMITTEE?


137 posted on 12/20/2005 8:18:46 AM PST by Safetgiver (Noone spoke when the levee done broke, Blanco cried and Nagin lied.)
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To: The_Victor
Go on RATS keep telling Americans that you would not do everything in your power to prevent another 9/11. A Dukakis moment.
138 posted on 12/20/2005 8:22:00 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: cpdiii
Rockefeller has a big mouth, all right.

From FR: Rocky IV's Preview (Jay Rockefeller Warned Syria of Iraq War Intentions)

139 posted on 12/20/2005 8:22:04 AM PST by syriacus (Murtha wants our troops redeployed. I wonder how he'd feel about "redeploying" them to Iran.)
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To: The_Victor

But they knew what needed to be done.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/719031/posts


140 posted on 12/20/2005 8:22:27 AM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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