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Judge Rules Against 'Intelligent Design'
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Posted on 12/20/2005 8:16:05 AM PST by GSlob

HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. The Dover Area School Board violated the Constitution when it ordered that its biology curriculum must include "intelligent design," the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III ruled Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; dovertrial; evolution; intelligentdesign; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: GSlob
Memo to local schools from Federal Judiciary: Please forward all your daily lesson plans for approval.

Look at the fine job the Federal Courts did improving local schools with their busing plans. This is more help from the same mindset.

21 posted on 12/20/2005 8:41:47 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: GSlob

Biology class......Let's raise Intelligent design to the ranking of a Philosophy class.


22 posted on 12/20/2005 8:42:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: GSlob

Excellent!


23 posted on 12/20/2005 8:42:21 AM PST by blowfish
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To: GSlob

the school district should just ban the teaching of anything related to how the world, animals and people are thought to have come to be.


24 posted on 12/20/2005 8:43:05 AM PST by conservative physics
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To: AbeKrieger
and if facts cannot incontrovertibly prove that evolution is the only possibility, then failure to present other theories is akin to censorship.

Never took a science class, did you?

25 posted on 12/20/2005 8:43:33 AM PST by blowfish
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To: mlc9852

Absolutely!


26 posted on 12/20/2005 8:44:48 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: GSlob
This is fantastic news! It's great to see a Bush appointed judge make the correct decision to keep whack-o's from forcibly inserting silly superstitions and charlatan hoaxes into science class over the common wisdom of the science teachers. hooray!!!
27 posted on 12/20/2005 8:46:49 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: brytlea
God Bless and Merry Christmas!

It's refreshing to have it stated with such simple reason - The only folks that get hurt by mention of God and/or Creationism are those who make their living in the study of evolution. Hearing that not everyone buys it as a stand-alone theory damages nobody. Some would say it hurts our kids scientifically, but I fail to see how it makes kids stupid - if they want to pursue scientific careers, the knowledge of opposing viewpoints will not eat the scientific aptitude from their brains. My belief in God does not take my ability to use math or the scientific method away from me. Of course, I would not likely pursue evolution as a study, but that is not the scientific area that keeps us technologically competitive. It is more akin to the liberal arts in that it makes one feel happy to have the information, but is not a specific boon to Mankind.

28 posted on 12/20/2005 8:46:51 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: wallcrawlr

The underlying assumption of the court seems to be that ID proponents are driven exclusively by faith, and that a scientific consideration by anyone with faith is not only impossible, but is an oxymoron.

I cannot say, because I am guilty, but as a scientist I believe ID is demonstrable.

I will bring up a previous post on the geologic record if you like.


29 posted on 12/20/2005 8:48:41 AM PST by BuglerTex (Thank God for our molten core and our large moon)
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To: BuglerTex

certainly.


30 posted on 12/20/2005 8:51:22 AM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: shuckmaster
An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns

Not according to the ToE....

31 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: brytlea

The judge said the ID'ers have "bona fide and deeply held
beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavours", he did
not say ID is a bad idea...he just said he felt that the
school board was trying to inject religion, and had lied
about their intentions...

Doesn't the fact that people are in arms cuz their theory
is challenged tell you something?
What it tells me is that there are some deeply held beliefs
that are being challenged. Is it possible that you as a
teacher could talk about problems with evolutionary theory
without introducing any talk about (shudder!) the possibility
of a Creator(man or God, or alien)...

An interesting question....if mankind learns enough to be
able to "create" a life form, would it display any evidence
that it was created, or since "it" would have to run on
known physical laws, could someone who discovered the life
form, say in the unconnected future, proclaim it had evolved?

Another interesting question...could mankind evolve enough
such that life can be created by us? If so, does that prove
that life can be created, and doesn't HAVE to evolve by
itself?

Finally, could an alien entity, advanced in biological
technology have created life on this planet?


32 posted on 12/20/2005 8:58:01 AM PST by Getready ((fear not...))
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To: GSlob

Darwin's Black Box should be required reading for this judge. But then he is probably incapable of understanding it.


33 posted on 12/20/2005 8:59:22 AM PST by Mogollon
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To: GSlob

There's only two possibilities.

Either life has always existed or it spontaneously generated.

Somehow "scientists" have picked one of the two as being rational.

To me they are both pretty incredible options. I pick the first one. God always existed.

When someone can show me an example of life sponteously generating I might consider changing my mind. Till then its not science its speculation.


34 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:01 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: shuckmaster
"whack-o's"

Why the apostrophe? Maybe you should be more concerned with English classes.
35 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:03 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: AbeKrieger

The evos count on censorship!


36 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:31 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

And evolution isn't? Where will those grants come from?


37 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:16 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: brytlea
I think that that is why the evolution debate is considered such an agenda by the scientists by many. If you can hardly discuss it when the KIDS bring it up and can't mantion the "G" word, then it's more than just about "teaching science correctly". It's just not realistic to restrict the subject matter in any one subject to only the sublect being taught. Like you can't discuss anything not Social Studies in the SS class or if it's not Math, you can't touch it in math class. I remember discussing alchemy in Chemistry and no one is having meltdowns about that. Sometimes you can get into really intersting discussions and learn a lot by going off topic *occasionally*. I also think it helps develop critical thinking skills.

I agree about you opinion of the creation story. It's so often criticized for being "inaccurate" but really, just how much info can be put into a couple chapters that deal with such a broad and complex topic. I think all in all it's a pretty good summary of what happened and has much more scientific support than a lot of scientists give it credit for.

38 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:21 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GSlob
Well, I wonder how it would have gone if the referendum were rephrased as "Allah may have created the world."?
39 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:58 AM PST by SteveSpeaking
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To: Getready
Finally, could an alien entity, advanced in biological technology have created life on this planet?

Then who created the alien entity? And why haven't we intercepted any of these aliens old T.V. reruns in the SETI project. In the end there is one ultimate Creator and nothing was created except by Him.

40 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:04 AM PST by Mogollon
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