Judge Rules Against 'Intelligent Design'

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[GSlob]

HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. The Dover Area School Board violated the Constitution when it ordered that its biology curriculum must include "intelligent design," the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III ruled Tuesday.

[BuglerTex]

Tough job, thanks for staying the course. I just think that it should be fair to point out the extreme improbability of the formation of this planet at this time and of the abruptness of the evolution or whatever that got us to the here and now.

Let science be taught, the more we know, the more we understand God's Work.

[metmom]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning...Supported by the big bang theory. There was a beginning. (Remember the meltdown when that was first proposed over the staedy state theory? Are you old enough?) Reminds me of the current reaction to ID.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was formless....fits with the scientific theory of solar syatem formation.

Gen 1:2 ...and void... no life yet

Gen 1:3 Then God said, "Let there be light...." A star has to reach a certain mass in order for it to ignite.

Now a break...-creation took time; supported by science.
-creation happened in a certain order; very similar to that which is supported by the ToE.

Gen 1:11&12 The earth brought forth vegetation. See the thread: "Shaped from clay [origin of life]"?

Gen 1:20 Then God said, "Let the waters teems with swarms of living creatures...." Life arose in the seas.

Gen 1:24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind..." Clay again, also with man.

Also note that it was fish first, then sea creatures and birds, then mammals, and finally man.

I don't see anything in the creation account that contradicts current scientific theories.

[jess35]

It's a legitimate question because you don't seem to understand the purpose of science.

[brytlea]

It is astounding to me how far knowledge on something like genetics has come since I took HS biology. It seems we were in the dark ages. It is amazing.
But, some things are to be taken on faith (and no, they aren't science). As I said, I am not very literal on the creation, because I cannot imagine God explaining to Moses about big bangs and such. And I'm also sure that God has a fabulous library I will get to spend the rest of eternity in! (I hope we don't just know everything all at once, I want to spend time learning it!)
susie

[jess35]

BWAHAHAHAHA!! No, seriously...I wasn't joking. Do you have any scientific evidence that backs up the Biblical creation account?

[brytlea]

I think God is certainly a scientist. ;)
susie

[brytlea]

You need to grow up and learn how to phrase questions in a civil debate. If you are looking to just make people angry, then you're on the right track. If you're trying to actually learn something (or get a real answer to a question) your method needs a little work.
susie

[jess35]

You're being fairly nasty yourself. I will take your complete refusal to answer my question as an inability to do so.

[brytlea]

I don't care what you take it for. I dealt with adolescents day in and day out, and I learned to not bother to answer a question that did not want an answer. If you think this is nasty you probably should avoid the internet, however.
susie

[wallcrawlr]

I'll take the way you posted on this thread as your display of rude behavior.

[GSlob]

"Because ID is really about money"
True. That's why, whenever I get bibled at, I answer "not a cent".

[GSlob]

And then the slime will get to be a valedictorian.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

It should be written, "Bibled".

[RightWhale]

"Intelligent design" cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district

What if one of the pupils innocently asks about it in class? Can the teacher allow the topic in a class project or individual project?

[GSlob]

Well, I'm 200% behind the judge on this one. ID is for the seminaries, sunday schools and the like.

[GSlob]

"What matters to this nut is that the people who want ID openly express their faith. "
And a biology class in public school is not a proper place for their expressing it. There is no lack of suitable avenues - theology classes, comparative religion courses, seminaries, sunday schools and the like. Thus I would not call him a nut.

[GSlob]

Why not - in a theology class.

[RogueIsland]

Darwin's Black Box should be required reading for this judge. But then he is probably incapable of understanding it.

He should probably spend his time on a book that hasn't been shredded in its intellectual entirety by the author's scientific peers.

[GSlob]

Why dignify it? torahed, quraned, book of mormon'ed and so on - still not a cent.

[RightWhale]

Not in that school district, by those people:

NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED THAT:

1. A declaratory judgment is hereby issued in favor of Plaintiffs pursuant
to 28 U.S.C. §§ 2201, 2202, and 42 U.S.C. § 1983 such that
Defendants’ ID Policy violates the Establishment Clause of the First
Amendment of the Constitution of the United States and Art. I, § 3 of
the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

2. Pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 65, Defendants are permanently enjoined
from maintaining the ID Policy in any school within the Dover Area
School District.

3. Because Plaintiffs seek nominal damages, Plaintiffs shall file with the
Court and serve on Defendants, their claim for damages and a verified
statement of any fees and/or costs to which they claim entitlement.
Defendants shall have the right to object to any such fees and costs to
the extent provided in the applicable statutes and court rules.