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Court of Appeals: Constitution "does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."
American Family Association of Michigan ^
| December 21, 2005
| American Family Association of Michigan
Posted on 12/21/2005 1:12:17 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan
Show me where the Constitution grants the government any authority whatsoever to issue religious advice; then show me where its moral authority is obtained.?
To: Always Right
What is an "establishment of religion?"
To: RobbyS
I know it by heart. What does "Religious opinion is virutally unlimited" mean? Never heard of no govt. authority over religion put quite that way.
To: rwfromkansas
What principle is violated by holding a religious service in a govt. building>
To: FredFlash
Where did President Richard Nixon get the moral authority to give me religious advice? The same place you got yours.
To: FredFlash
It means you can believe anything you want, but there are things you cannot say and things you cannot do.
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posted on
01/16/2006 2:35:46 PM PST
by
RobbyS
( CHIRHO)
To: FredFlash
What is an "establishment of religion?" I suppose that is the million dollar question. In my mind it is a church.
To: AFA-Michigan
The times they are a changin..
Let's hope we can keep the trend moving back to Constitutional Government.
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posted on
01/16/2006 2:37:40 PM PST
by
Leatherneck_MT
(An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
To: FredFlash
What if it was the clerk at tax office? If you wish to discuss religion with the lady at the tax office, that is your business. If your tax bill was determined on that discussion, then it would be wrong.
To: AFA-Michigan
Court of Appeals: Constitution "does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."True, but when something is puked up long and often enough by proponents of this demand ie; Main Stream Media, Liberal Left Dem Burros it, like an old wives' tale, is accepted as the law of the land!
And to keep from rocking the boat the rest of the "cattle" go along with it like a small herd of yearling stocker cattle, being in an unfamiliar pasture, walking along a fence single file nose to rearend rearing up on top, without stopping, of the animal just ahead.
This pictured common activity of cattle reminds one of the Dem butts during their attempted pillorying and the foul verbal flaying of Judge Samuel Alito.
Surely they are despised for it.
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posted on
01/16/2006 2:40:34 PM PST
by
VOYAGER
To: Always Right
Where is the coercion?
To: Always Right
How about this - "The duty that we owe to the Creator." That was the Virginia definition and it was the Virginia view of religious freedom that prevailed during the Early Republic (1789 to the Civil War).
To: RobbyS
Can the government give me legal advice?
To: FredFlash
Maybe not you, but it does give free legal services, if that is what you mean?
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posted on
01/16/2006 2:54:57 PM PST
by
RobbyS
( CHIRHO)
To: kevkrom
During the debates that framed the First Amendment, forms of the word "establish" were used by the Representatives to refer to concepts other than a national church like the Church of England.
Rep. Huntington used the word "establishment" to refer to an establishment of religion in Massachusetts and New Hampshire that did not even mention a particular doctrine or form of worship. He was referring to the establishment by law of the duty to support the "Protestant" religion. Protestant was not defined in the statute and any church that claimed to be Protestant could be voted by the locals to receive the support.
MR. HUNTINGTON said that he feared, with the gentleman first up on this subject, that the words might be taken in such latitude as to be extremely hurtful to the cause of religion. He understood the amendment to mean what had been expressed by the gentleman from Virginia; but others might find it convenient to put another construction on it. The ministers of their congregations to the eastward were maintained by contributions of those who belong to their society; the expense of building meeting houses was contributed in the same manner. These things were regulated by bylaws. If an action was brought before a federal court on any of these cases, the person who had neglected to perform his engagements could not be compelled to do it; for a support of ministers or buildings of places of worship might be construed into a religious establishment.
To: FredFlash
Where is the coercion? Come on, ask intelligent questions.
To: FredFlash
Odd, but a google search on that phrase, "The duty that we owe to the Creator", only turns up one result.....from you.
To: FredFlash
I have looked at the entire exhibit online.
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posted on
01/16/2006 3:56:03 PM PST
by
rwfromkansas
(http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
To: FredFlash
We know your feelings towards the establishment clause, but how about the freedom of religous expression clause? Isn't it the work of Satan that Churches apply for 501(c)3 tax exempt status? Where in the Constitution does the IRS get the power to say what a Church can say? Madison and Jefferson would be more irate over given the IRS authority over the status of a church than anthing else going on. You have make an extreme interpretation of the establishment clause but seem oblivious to the freedom of expression clause.
To: Always Right
Try the - Virginia Bill of Rights of 1776 - George Mason is credited with it - Patsy Henry claimed he formulated it - James Madison used it in his Memorial - Two of the five religious freedom amendments recommended by the State Conventions (Va. and N. C.) - St. George Tucker used it in his famous 1803 commentaries - The Supreme Court adopted it in 1878 in Reynolds v. U. S.
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