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Court of Appeals: Constitution "does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."
American Family Association of Michigan ^ | December 21, 2005 | American Family Association of Michigan

Posted on 12/21/2005 1:12:17 PM PST by AFA-Michigan

Values group hails unanimous decision Tuesday

CINCINNATI -- In an astounding return to judicial interpretation of the actual text of the United States Constitution, a unanimous panel of the 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals Tuesday issued an historic decision declaring that "the First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."

In upholding a Kentucky county's right to display the Ten Commandments, the panel called the American Civil Liberties Union's repeated claims to the contrary "extra-constitutional" and "tiresome."

See Cincinnat Enquirer at: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051221/NEWS01/512210356/1056

See U.S. Court of Appeals decision, page 13: http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/05a0477p-06.pdf

"Patriotic Americans should observe a day of prayer and thanksgiving for this stunning and historic reversal of half a century of misinformation and judicial distortion of the document that protects our religious freedoms," said Gary Glenn, president of the American Family Association of Michigan.

"We are particularly excited that such an historic, factual, and truth-based decision is now a controlling precedent for the federal Court of Appeals that rules on all Michigan cases," Glenn said.

6th Circuit Judge Richard Suhrheinrich wrote in the unanimous decision: "The ACLU makes repeated reference to the 'separation of church and state.' This extra-constitutional construct has grown tiresome. The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state. Our nation's history is replete with governmental acknowledgment and in some cases, accommodation of religion."

The words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, though according to polls, a majority of Americans have been misled to believe that they do, Glenn said.

For background information, see:
http://www.answers.com/topic/separation-of-church-and-state-in-the-united-states

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1 posted on 12/21/2005 1:12:19 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan
I really wish the ACLU would be declared a terrorist group and all of their lawyers sent to one of our nonexistent prisons in Croatia or somewhere, never to be heard from again!
2 posted on 12/21/2005 1:14:14 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: AFA-Michigan

Thanks.


3 posted on 12/21/2005 1:15:04 PM PST by oneofmany (Salus populi suprema lex)
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To: AFA-Michigan

WHOLLY SHIITE!!


4 posted on 12/21/2005 1:15:15 PM PST by PatriotCJC
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To: AFA-Michigan

Wow. Somebody can read the Constitution.


5 posted on 12/21/2005 1:16:06 PM PST by jwh_Denver (I'd rather be daytrading. Just did one.)
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To: AFA-Michigan

This story will really be worth something-- 40 years ago.
Too many kids have grown up with this nonsense in their heads, pummeled all day by the ACLU whackos. It's like the border fence. I mean, I'm in Southern California, and believe me- a fence does nothing. There are so many people from Mexico here, it doesn't matter if more get halted. It's too late.


6 posted on 12/21/2005 1:16:25 PM PST by emiller
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To: mlc9852
ACLU is a marxist organization.

7 posted on 12/21/2005 1:17:11 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: AFA-Michigan


Atheism: The only religion truly endorsed by the US government. :)


8 posted on 12/21/2005 1:17:45 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: AFA-Michigan

This decision comes at a very useful time if it goes up to the Supreme Court. Maybe if Alito is sitting there when it is heard, Roberts and the other conservatives can kick out that Wall of Separation cr*p for good.

All the Constitution says is that "there shall be no establishment of religion." That's very different from a wall of separation. And if Jefferson used that phrase in a letter, so what? As Scalia says, you don't go by someone's eccentric private opinion when you interpret the words, you go by what the words meant to an average, educated person at the time they were written.

And at the time it was written, established meant exactly that--that there should be no official, established national church like the Church of England.


9 posted on 12/21/2005 1:17:53 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AFA-Michigan

That Klansman, and supreme court justice, Hugo Black must be rolling over in his grave.


10 posted on 12/21/2005 1:19:11 PM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: AFA-Michigan

The church and state arguments were based on the situation in England at the time of the Federal convention. The state had created its own church and the church had seats in Parliament. There should not be that kind of tie between church and state, but the separation need not be a wall of infinite thickness and height.


11 posted on 12/21/2005 1:19:44 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: AFA-Michigan
"The ACLU makes repeated reference to the 'separation of church and state.' This extra-constitutional construct has grown tiresome.

THWAP!!!

12 posted on 12/21/2005 1:21:07 PM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: AFA-Michigan

13 posted on 12/21/2005 1:22:07 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: AFA-Michigan

Looks like the court administered the Baseball Bat of Truth (TM) to the ACLU's head. That's gonna leave a mark.


14 posted on 12/21/2005 1:22:23 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: AFA-Michigan

WHOA! I looked multiple times to make sure this wasn't a humor thread. This is hard to believe.


15 posted on 12/21/2005 1:26:05 PM PST by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: BikerTrash

This makes this Christmas particularly merry. Woohoo!


16 posted on 12/21/2005 1:27:51 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: AFA-Michigan

I haven't seen this decision in the NY Times yet. Does that mean it never happened?


17 posted on 12/21/2005 1:29:36 PM PST by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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To: Cicero
Oh, happy day!

Cicero, I have half a hunch that the addition of Roberts and the possible addition of Alito to the SC had some psychological influence on the members of the Court of Appeals in this decision.

Judges don't like to be overruled or their decisions overturned. Now that we have a pretty good chance for a conservative Supreme Court, we may see a goodly number of conservative courts and judges throughout the country begin to come out of the shadows. Every judge in the U.S. of A. is not a liberal. We may be seeing the start of a more courageous trend with this unanimous (yikes!) decision.

Leni

18 posted on 12/21/2005 1:30:52 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: AFA-Michigan

Wow!

Common sense breaking out all over!


19 posted on 12/21/2005 1:37:35 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: AFA-Michigan

All right!


20 posted on 12/21/2005 1:38:02 PM PST by tiredoflaundry (The right wants victory, the left wants to surrender. It's that simple.)
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To: AFA-Michigan

Later "Hooray" Pingout.


21 posted on 12/21/2005 1:38:13 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: AFA-Michigan; All

Wow, it is like reading a Supreme Court decision before FDR packed the courts.

Reason!


22 posted on 12/21/2005 1:39:25 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: AliVeritas; Mo1

PING!


23 posted on 12/21/2005 1:39:38 PM PST by tiredoflaundry (The right wants victory, the left wants to surrender. It's that simple.)
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To: AFA-Michigan

I'm shocked! I had to look to see if it was Scrappleface!

Another win for common sense!!


24 posted on 12/21/2005 1:40:13 PM PST by airborne
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To: Cicero

Jefferson himself did a lot of things that would violate the wall doctrine, so it is clear he himself didn't belive in it.


25 posted on 12/21/2005 1:40:46 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: emiller

Merry CHRISTmas!


26 posted on 12/21/2005 1:41:04 PM PST by airborne
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To: Cicero

It just was an illustration of religious freedom in a letter, nothing more.


27 posted on 12/21/2005 1:41:06 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: JamesP81

You think so? Ain't much 'harder' than stupidity and invincible ignorance.


28 posted on 12/21/2005 1:41:18 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: AFA-Michigan
;o)

29 posted on 12/21/2005 1:41:51 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: AFA-Michigan

Looks like somebody finally took the time to read our founders writings on what was their intent, because they were very clear.


30 posted on 12/21/2005 1:42:03 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: AFA-Michigan

An even better decision would be for the courts to demand that the ACLU reimburse the taxpayers for all the money they burned up in this lawsuit. A rare victory over the religion police!


31 posted on 12/21/2005 1:43:22 PM PST by Hacksaw (The liberal wants to control what you do, the atheist wants to control what you think.)
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To: Lady Heron

Even a brief glance at what MADISON HIMSELF said the amendment meant (located in the Annals of Congress) clearly show it was only intended to stop the govt. from prohibiting the freedom of religion and establishing a state religion or giving an unseemly amount of support to one denomination.

It did not even mean that Christianity could not be supported by the govt., for it has been in our history up until the 20th century and supported by courts in that process.

There is a reason the Blaine Amendment failed.


32 posted on 12/21/2005 1:44:25 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: MinuteGal

So this will be appealed to SDCOTUS, who will deny cert. Yippee..BTW..who are these jusdges?..Can we get their bios?


33 posted on 12/21/2005 1:45:06 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: AFA-Michigan
Thank You God! Thank you God and this court for this wonderful Christmas blessing you have given us today!




Today we heard the court tell the ACLU to"Stuff It!""ACLU Christmas"

34 posted on 12/21/2005 1:49:26 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Merry Christmas To Our Troops In Iraq (My Hero's)")
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To: Hacksaw
An even better decision would be for the courts to demand that the ACLU reimburse the taxpayers for all the money they burned up in this lawsuit. A rare victory over the religion police!

Exactly. The ACLU's frivolous and damaging lawsuits must be hammered back down into the muck they came from. And the judgment should always levy court costs on the ACLU.

These parasites thrive in the pocketbook. Time to starve them!

35 posted on 12/21/2005 2:00:35 PM PST by DakotaGator
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To: AFA-Michigan

Odd...the Dover decision throwing out ID was all over the news yesterday, but this is the first I've heard of this unanimous decision debunking the non-existant d"separation of church and state." I guess CNN doesn't deem this to be noteworthy since it actually follows the Constitution. The two decisions certainly seem to contradict one another.


37 posted on 12/21/2005 2:05:57 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Cicero
And at the time it was written, established meant exactly that--that there should be no official, established national church like the Church of England.

And even further, it is my understanding that the main purpose for prohibiting a national religion was so as to not interfere with the official religions of each of the states.

38 posted on 12/21/2005 2:08:35 PM PST by kevkrom ("Zero-sum games are transactions mostly initiated by thieves and governments." - Walter Williams)
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To: Cicero
"All the Constitution says is that "there shall be no establishment of religion."

No it doesn't. Real it ALL

39 posted on 12/21/2005 2:09:55 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: AFA-Michigan

Thank the Lord, our whole judicial system has not yet lost it.


40 posted on 12/21/2005 2:16:45 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: AFA-Michigan

A mass mailing to teachers to stop using this phrase as part of the United States Constitution would be helpful or just a letter to the NEA, AFT, and AAUP might suffice.


42 posted on 12/21/2005 2:18:18 PM PST by yoe
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

An establishment of religion is a church,synagogue. In otherwords, the government will not interfere with the inner workings of the church. The government runs the country, the church runs the church. That is the definition of separation of church and state, which was connonized by the church way back in 1243 or thereabouts.
The rest, "free exercise thereof" and onward, seems clear to me.

43 posted on 12/21/2005 2:20:35 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Nathan, you need to find another phrase to use. " ... separation of church and state" is no longer an acceptable way to express yourself!

From the article: A unanimous panel of the 6th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals Tuesday issued an historic decision declaring that

"the First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."

Semper Fi

44 posted on 12/21/2005 2:33:59 PM PST by An Old Man (USMC 1956 1960)
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To: mlc9852

I wonder if most all aclu members are now on suicide watch...?

This is the best Christmas present YET!


45 posted on 12/21/2005 2:45:29 PM PST by snuffy smiff ("the theory of Communism may be summed up in a single sentence:abolition of private property"-K.Marx)
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To: AFA-Michigan

Thank the Lord, but this is going to stir things up.

Of course I suspect it won't get any press.


46 posted on 12/21/2005 2:47:02 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AFA-Michigan

Yahoo listed the news of the PA judge ruling ID in public schools is illegal because the proponents are religiously motivated. Yahoo kept the article listed for more than a day. I have not seen any mention of this case on Yahoo though.


47 posted on 12/21/2005 2:47:29 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Analytic

"Cuber" sounds like just the perfect nation for them...


48 posted on 12/21/2005 2:48:34 PM PST by snuffy smiff ("the theory of Communism may be summed up in a single sentence:abolition of private property"-K.Marx)
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To: AFA-Michigan
Excellent!!


Good call by the judge about the "separation of church and state" issue. My blood boils every time I hear that phrase because I know that most Americans ASSUME it is in the Constitution. It is mentioned in the Federalist Papers and some personal writings of the founding fathers, but NOT the Constitution.


Just . . . WOW!

49 posted on 12/21/2005 2:53:58 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Nathan Zachary

I have. That's all it says anywhere that comes anywhere close to saying that religion should be suppressed.


50 posted on 12/21/2005 3:05:16 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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