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Experts Say Wiretap Fight May Taint Cases
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/21/05 | Ted Bridis - ap

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:27:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge
It's not about trials, it's about stopping attacks.

For example, we heard someone, UNKNOWN, discussing destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge.

We didn't know who it was but we got on the bridge and caught some ba$tard with bolt cutters.

Their method wasn't sophisticated enough to work but once they realized we were on to their scheme, that was the end of their plans.

21 posted on 12/21/2005 6:58:03 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The point is avoiding millions of dead citizens, not whether we can bring suicide bombers to the court once they are stopped. If they are foreigners, then they are enemy combatants anyway or spies if they are on our soil. If they are American citizens, well. One hopes there is a special circle in Hell for these sort of folks.

Perhaps they might get off.. but thats still better than even one building being toppled. They better keep their nose clean the rest of their lives.

22 posted on 12/21/2005 7:02:27 PM PST by dalight
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To: msnimje
Legal Experts? Like John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, Geof Fieger?

Isn't this all a LOT OF CRAP. Bush has not broken any law - BRING IT ON DEMONRATS!! LETS HAVE ANOTHER INVESTIGATION SINCE YOU HAVE SO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS - BUT first why don't you get down to business and pass the Defense appropriations bill, finish the precious Valerie Flame investigation, Re-authorize the Patriot Act, pass a bill authorizing drilling in Anwar, etc., etc., etc. I am not interested in hearing whether Bush broke some foreign spying law that Carter, Reagen, and Buba Clintoon also used. Period, end of story - continue this nonsense at your own peril, both to the country and to your party. The DemonRAT party is marching right off the left side of the cliff - good riddance. Maybe there will arise a new political party out of the ashes.

23 posted on 12/21/2005 7:04:28 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: sgtyork

And I think that's the key point. The purpose here is to impinge or stop an impending attack before it happens. It's sad to say, but our system has always been mostly reactionary rather than proactive...we usually need the crime committed (and its sad results) before we can do anything. While an attempted murder charge is nice...it's nothing compared to a murder charge, which can only happen after someone has died. Heck, other than Visa violations, I don't think there was ever anything we could've convicted the 9/11 terrorists of prior to their attacks. At least this gives us tools to prevent the deaths from occuring.


24 posted on 12/21/2005 7:06:47 PM PST by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: p23185
It is indeed a load of crap. But we should really stress that people who proclaim to have no understanding of the law should NOT BE MAKING IT!!
25 posted on 12/21/2005 7:10:53 PM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"unprecedented resignation from the government's spy court by U.S. District Judge James Robertson..."


OMG! It's the first time in history that a US District Judge has resigned! I did not know that. I guess Bush must really be extreme. </sarc>


26 posted on 12/21/2005 7:13:06 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh, somehow I don't think they're relying on this information for court cases.


27 posted on 12/21/2005 7:17:38 PM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: msnimje
But we should really stress that people who proclaim to have no understanding of the law should NOT BE MAKING IT!!

No truer words could be spoken - Congresscritters - Argh! What do you think about that Rocky writing a handwritten note and putting it in his vault? He claims he had no one to talk to about his concerns - ha ha. Why not talk to Roberts? Rockefeller's handwritten note

28 posted on 12/21/2005 7:32:36 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: p23185
What do you think about that Rocky writing a handwritten note and putting it in his vault?

If he has been leaking state secrets for years, he probably has sorts of things like this put away in an attempt to clear himself.
29 posted on 12/21/2005 7:40:25 PM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
We are not going to try these guys, we are going to kill them.

Precisely. It is not the purpose of the program to gather evidence for a court trial.

Instead, the program's purpose is to give us a heads up about who to kill, plus where and when we might accomplish this satisfying task at the greatest profit.

30 posted on 12/21/2005 7:46:35 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: mewzilla

"But no-one ever resigned over what Bubba was up to."

Kind of unusual to find a Dim with that much principle, isn't it?

We don't tend to view them as having a strong collectivity of moral or ethical standards.


31 posted on 12/21/2005 7:47:30 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: xcamel

The pr!cks quoted in this story claim they are worried about tainted evidence if we bring a terrorist to trial.

Trial? These terrorists are planning on blowing up whole cities or using bio-war on whole states. The President is trying to stop terrorists in their tracks from doing us harm. The trial phase is farther down on the to do list.

Get a clue we are at war, not trial lawyers looking for a buck from someone's hair in a Big Mac.


32 posted on 12/21/2005 8:39:30 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: NormsRevenge
Gender: Male

I question the accuracy of this profile.

33 posted on 12/21/2005 8:41:45 PM PST by SpottedBeaver (Tagline removed by Moderator)
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To: RicocheT

I think GWB should declassify his info even though it may jeapardize cases and operations to prove that the PA is necessary and the wiretapping procedures are legititmate and needed. If current cases are blown and operations messed up, I would blame the Dems for it, because GWB has no choice but to defend the operations in order to preserve it for the future. Otherwise he has to remain silent and look guilty.


34 posted on 12/21/2005 8:44:08 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: NormsRevenge
OK... I'm trying to figure this one out.

Robertson has been on this panel of judges for some time now. He is just now having doubts about the legitimacy of these warrant-less searches?

Yeah... Right...

35 posted on 12/21/2005 8:44:27 PM PST by SpottedBeaver (Tagline removed by Moderator)
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To: NormsRevenge

There are NO domestic wiretaps. Can't be very good legal experts if they can't even get the false NY Times story correct.


36 posted on 12/21/2005 8:59:49 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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