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Santorum now critical of Dover case
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 12/22/2005 | Carrie Budoff and Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 12/22/2005 1:41:44 PM PST by jennyp

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To: CarolinaGuitarman

The experiment had nothing to do with evolution though, as the origin of life is not covered in evolutionary theory.

But it is part of Darwinist theory, which is what I was talking about.  You keep switching from Darwinism to Evolution like they're the same theory.  They're not.

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

81 posted on 12/22/2005 5:33:37 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Junior

Recent research shows they may have been closer than you think. Also, they showed organic compounds form under natural conditions

In an atmosphere with artificially high amounts of free hydrogen, they were able to create glycine.  No one has been able to create any complex amino acids in a primitive earth atmosphere.

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

82 posted on 12/22/2005 5:40:27 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

"But it is part of Darwinist theory, which is what I was talking about. "

No, it has nothing to do with Darwin or evolution.

"You keep switching from Darwinism to Evolution like they're the same theory. They're not."

There is no *Darwinism*, other than in the deluded minds of creationism. There is the theory of evolution.


83 posted on 12/22/2005 5:48:33 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I'd recommend you read either Darwin's Black Box or Icons of Evolution just so you get the most basic understanding of the theory you're railing against. 

I had to sit through six years of Darwinist B.S. so I've bothered to investigate both sides.  I find Darwin's ideas full of holes.

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

84 posted on 12/22/2005 6:09:29 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"I had to sit through six years of Darwinist B.S. so I've bothered to investigate both sides. I find Darwin's ideas full of holes."

And yet all the *holes* you have listed are mirages.

Behe, btw, accepts common descent, descent with modification, the old age of the earth, and that the designer may be dead. Well's is a loony Moonie.
85 posted on 12/22/2005 6:13:05 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Owl_Eagle
[The experiment had nothing to do with evolution though, as the origin of life is not covered in evolutionary theory.]

But it is part of Darwinist theory, which is what I was talking about.

No, it isn't. Tell you what, go off and endlessly amuse yourself trying to document this claim. And no, creationist misrepresentations or "quote-mining" don't count.

You keep switching from Darwinism to Evolution like they're the same theory. They're not.

And the difference would be...?

If you're trying to say that "Darwinism" is the things which Darwin wrote about, then I'd love to hear your explanation for how the Miller-Urey experiment, which took place long after Darwin was dead, is "part of Darwinist theory". This should be amusing.

87 posted on 12/22/2005 6:24:21 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon; Owl_Eagle
how did you get through "six years of University biology" while remaining ignorant of stuff like this, and so unaware of basic biology that you managed to fall for blatantly bogus stuff like Wells' book?

That was going to be the very question I asked him!

88 posted on 12/22/2005 6:28:22 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: ndt
Agreed.

I was disagreeing with the notion that students (of all people), should be allowed to decide what is or isn't science.

89 posted on 12/22/2005 6:32:47 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: cynicom
Santorum decides which way the wind is blowing on any particular day to decide what side to take. No more votes for this waffler.

I believe Santorum is gun shy after all the flack he's taken for some of his previous outspoken and controversial positions. (gay issues, the Schiavo case etc)

He's worried about losing his Senate seat and is trying to play it safe.

91 posted on 12/22/2005 6:39:18 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: shuckmaster; Ichneumon; Owl_Eagle

When Owl_Eagle posted "six years of University biology," there was no mention of having been in any of the classes ... much less having slept through them.


92 posted on 12/22/2005 6:49:43 PM PST by Gumlegs (Where they've always slept ... in the classroom.)
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To: Jorge
Oh, good, Jorge's back! Hey, Jorge, are you finally ready to have the discussion about the evidence for evolution that you've run away from twice now?

You claimed that, "I love biology and bet I could run circles around you in any discussion on the topic", and yet both times I've tried to get you to engage in a discussion on that very topic, you vanished from the thread...

Ready now?

93 posted on 12/22/2005 6:50:54 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: jennyp

Santorum looks like Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk.


94 posted on 12/22/2005 7:25:27 PM PST by DaGman
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To: Ichneumon

Game, set, match!


95 posted on 12/22/2005 7:40:28 PM PST by DaGman
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To: Ichneumon
Hey, Jorge, are you finally ready to have the discussion about the evidence for evolution that you've run away from twice now?

You claimed that, "I love biology and bet I could run circles around you in any discussion on the topic", and yet both times I've tried to get you to engage in a discussion on that very topic, you vanished from the thread...

Ready now?

Are you REALLY that hard up for somebody to debate with?

FR is a BIG place.
Believe it or not my life doesn't center around entertaining and responding to your every comment. I doubt if I even read your last post.
I've debated evolution for years in online forums and could probably address every detail of every challenge you present simply by cutting and pasting from my archives.

It gets boring really fast dude.

You can spend every minute of everyday trying to disprove Creation or ID and push evolution till you reach Hell for all I care.
I know what it's like trying to talk in the black hole of unbelief and wonder if there's really anybody there to convince of anything.
So don't expect me to waste my time engaging you when I tire of a discussion. Move on bro.

96 posted on 12/22/2005 7:58:33 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: gondramB
Well put. Modern day Ludditeism.

MRSA*** upon their ignorant houses.

***Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus

97 posted on 12/22/2005 9:56:08 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: ml1954; Mamzelle
She even thinks many of us are the same person.

"I am he
as you are he
as you are me
and we are all together"

98 posted on 12/23/2005 2:15:01 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: NC28203

I am not a scientist. That is the point. Why can't scientists try to figure it out? Doesn't science try to find answers to questions?


99 posted on 12/23/2005 5:31:13 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I'm sure students make decisions regarding homosexuality. How could they not the way the schools push it on them?


100 posted on 12/23/2005 5:43:52 AM PST by mlc9852
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