Yeah, that Philip Johnson, what a Darwinist, eh?
Get back to us when you've actually come up to speed on this issue.
Posted on 12/22/2005 1:41:44 PM PST by jennyp
"Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life, and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor."
If common ancestry is a lie, then why are chimps or other great apes genetically very close to humans? And why do all living species share genes? And why are we genetically closer to apes than to, say, trees? And why are their different species and genus to begin with? Why are their fossils showing transitional apes-humans? Why do humans from different parts of the world look different? And why weren't there humans back in the time of dinosaurs?
Evolution/Natural Selection is "just a theory" like the theory of relativity, the quantum theory, and the theory of plate tectonics.
Exactly!
That puts creationism in the company of math, reading and history, and just about any subject that might spark independent thought and a suspicion of socialism.
Pennsylvania public schools are among the worst in the U.S.
yes... and I am enjoying watching the dance.
it is to laugh.
when the full archive is set, contrasting before and after quotes (in full - we must not quote-mine like they tend to do) will be enormously entertaining when the next round of this IDiocy flares up.
Santorum is now unelectable. He's either intentionally lying about the Dover disclaimer or he's not smart enough to understand it. Either way, I'd say Casey wins in a walk.
Gee, really? I've been studying this subject for thirty years, and haven't seen anything like that yet. Perhaps you could list it for us?
(Miller Urey, the Finches).
How in the hell do those cases allegedly "show the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong?" And yes, I've heard the creationist blathering about it, but even if the creationist nonsense on those two cases was correct (and it's not), even *that* wouldn't "show the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong", because those cases aren't even "pillars of Darwinism" -- the mountain of 150 years of accumulated evidence, across multiple cross-confirming lines, is the actual "pillar of Darwinism", and you can't make that go away by trying to kick the legs out from any minor side issue.
Are you sure you know what in the heck you're talking about?
Oh, and probably the total lack of any evidence of one species turning into another.
This is, quite simply, complete horse crap. I myself have seen and verified a vast amount of evidence of one species turning into another.
Are you just parroting creationist pamphlets? Because no one who has followed any science journal for the past thirty years could possibly have missed the massive evidence for evolution, which continues to accumulate daily, and then say something as vastly ignorant as you have here.
Look, if you aren't qualified to discuss a topic, do us all a favor and keep your misinformation to yourself.
Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life,
Wow, you've learned your "science" by listening to the creationists' cartoon-version misrepresentation of it. That's like "learning" about geopolitics by raptly listening to Cindy Sheehan.
and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor.
Yes they do, because there's massively overwhelming evidence for that conclusion.
It's rock solid science and questioning it is like questioning heliocentrism.
Indeed, although many people are ignorant enough to try, because they've read a few creationist pamphlets and think, "now I are an expurt".
"ID" would also be at home in classes on political movements, or propaganda techniques.
Yeah, that Philip Johnson, what a Darwinist, eh?
Get back to us when you've actually come up to speed on this issue.
I always say rhetoric class - the study of persuasive language: advertising, politicians' promises, pseudoscience, propaganda in general.
Sorry but I still don't agree with this scope of Federal power. If you don't like what a local school board has done, or if some wolves in sheeps clothing mangage to get elected they can be voted out in the next election. (Which is exactly what happened). If a Federal Judge scews you in deciding what can and can't be taught, you are stuck - you stay screwed.
You really like going out on the limb don't you? :)
I think the important thing is that Ebonics is taught. Students can decide for themselves whether it's a language or notr.
LOL.
The Inquirer has always had it in for Santorum. And we'll find out next November that the rest of the state has it for him too. He's finished.
I have noted that many of the IDers on these threads seem to be very religious people. If ID and CS are so different, who do IDers pray to?
Miller Urey experiment: A successful attempt to show that certain organic compounds can be formed in the conditions of the early Earth.
Unfortunately, they got the gas compositions wrong and when adjusted were unable to produce those organic compounds. Why are you still holding on to this?
The finches of the Galapagos; an excellent example of natural selection at work.
The Finches were supposed to be an example of one species evolving into several others. Unfortunately, the species have hybridized which is the exact opposite of what Darwinists believe will happen.
"...and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor."
They do.
Prove it. I'll make it easier, where's the fosil evidence tying us to apes? It doesn't exist except in theory. And a pretty weak theory it is too.
Owl_Eagle
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the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in. I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"-Hillary Clinton
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"Unfortunately, they got the gas compositions wrong and when adjusted were unable to produce those organic compounds. Why are you still holding on to this?"
Actually, the gas compositions were pretty good. The experiment had nothing to do with evolution though, as the origin of life is not covered in evolutionary theory. Abiogenesis research has gone a lot further than this one experiment though.
"The Finches were supposed to be an example of one species evolving into several others. Unfortunately, the species have hybridized which is the exact opposite of what Darwinists believe will happen."
The finches, as observed today, are an excellent example of natural selection in action. The point of current research is not to see speciation, but the affects of natural selection on morphology. Again, you have mistated the purpose of the studies. The Urey Miller experiments for example were NOT intended to show the creation of a new life form. BTW, when did Darwin say that organisms can't hybridize?
"Prove it. I'll make it easier, where's the fosil evidence tying us to apes? It doesn't exist except in theory. And a pretty weak theory it is too."
Theories are never proven in science. As for the evidence tying us to apes, not only does it exist (fossils, ERV's) but we ARE apes. Deal with it.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/ances_start.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/compare.html
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html
Recent research shows they may have been closer than you think. Also, they showed organic compounds form under natural conditions -- a result born out with the discovery of these same compounds in interstellar dust clouds.
Of course, I expect this to go in one ear and out the other and you'll be making the same foolish claims on a future thread, but at least the real information is out there for the lurkers.
Just science that shows the pillars of Darwinism to be dead wrong
Gee, really? I've been studying this subject for thirty years, and haven't seen anything like that yet. Perhaps you could list it for us?
1. Miller Urey
2. Hybridizing Finches
3. Peppered Moths
4. Haeckel's Embryos
5. Archeoptryx
6. The missing link (Piltdown's Fraud)
How 'bout those?
Why can we find pre-Cambrian stromatolite fosil remains, but we can't find the intermediary between man and ape?
I myself have seen and verified a vast amount of evidence of one species turning into another.
Example? And don't use one that's an example of polyploidism because you should know that isn't the kind of gradual change that Darwinists site.
Sunlight hit some amino acids and created life
Wow, you've learned your "science" by listening to the creationists' cartoon-version misrepresentation of it.
No, actually six years of University biology, but why don't you explain how life came into being for us?
and humans and maple trees have a common ancestor.
Yes they do, because there's massively overwhelming evidence for that conclusion.
Again, example? And please something better than "Hippos and Rhinos look kinda the same so they're related."
I've never seen so many people talk so much about something they understand so little.
Owl_Eagle
"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in. I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"
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