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Prisoners move begun by Clinton, says agent [Scheuer on rendition]
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | December 30, 2005 | Agence France-Presse

Posted on 12/29/2005 3:44:26 PM PST by aculeus

The CIA's controversial program of having terrorist suspects captured and questioned on foreign soil began under President Bill Clinton, a former US agent says.

Michael Scheuer, a 22-year veteran of the CIA who resigned last year, told yesterday's issue of the German newspaper Die Zeit that the US administration had been looking in the mid-1990s for a way to combat the terrorist threat and circumvent the cumbersome US legal system.

"President Clinton, his national security adviser Sandy Berger and his terrorism adviser Richard Clark ordered the CIA in the autumn of 1995 to destroy al-Qaeda," the newspaper quoted Mr Scheuer as saying.

"We asked the president what we should do with the people we capture. Clinton said, 'That's up to you."'

Mr Scheuer, who headed the CIA unit that tracked Osama bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, said he developed and led the "renditions" program, which included moving prisoners without due legal process to countries with no strict human rights protections.

"In Cairo, people are not treated like they are in Milwaukee. The Clinton administration asked us if we believed that the prisoners were being treated in accordance with local law. And we answered, 'Yes, we're fairly sure."'

At the time, he said, the CIA did not arrest or imprison anyone itself.

"That was done by the local police or secret services," he said, adding that the prisoners were never taken to US soil. "President Clinton did not want that."

He said the program changed under Mr Clinton's successor, George Bush, after the attacks of September 11, 2001.

"We started putting people in our own institutions - in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. The Bush Administration wanted to capture people itself but made the same mistake as the Clinton administration by not treating these people as prisoners of war."

He accused Europeans of being hypocritical in criticising the US for its anti-terrorism tactics while benefiting from them.

"All the information we received from interrogations and documents, everything that had to do with Spain, Italy, Germany, France, England was passed on."

In the US, the Justice Department has asked the Supreme Court to intervene in the case of an alleged "dirty bomber", Jose Padilla, saying that a lower court had no right to tell the Bush Administration whether he should be tried in a criminal court or by a military tribunal.

The US Solicitor-General, Paul Clement, asked the court to overturn a ruling by an appellate court last week that essentially blocked Padilla, 35, from being transferred from a military brig in South Carolina to a federal prison in Miami.

The three-judge panel had said it was concerned the Justice Department might have decided to prosecute Padilla to prevent a Supreme Court ruling on Mr Bush's claim that he can designate American citizens as "enemy combatants" and imprison them indefinitely without charge.

Agence France-Presse, Los Angeles Times


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; gwot; nsa; paulclement; rendition; richardclark; sandyberger; scheuer; x42
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1 posted on 12/29/2005 3:44:27 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus
The CIA's controversial program of having terrorist suspects captured and questioned on foreign soil began under President Bill Clinton, a former US agent says

I read this earlier, thanks for posting it here.

2 posted on 12/29/2005 3:46:22 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: aculeus
He said the program changed under Mr Clinton's successor, George Bush, after the attacks of September 11, 2001.

Yes. The Clinton method was more effective. Certainly prevented 9/11, didn't it?

3 posted on 12/29/2005 3:47:05 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: aculeus
Is this a way for Clinton to plant the idea that he actually did something to battle al-Qaeda--a lie wrapped in a truth, which will be allowed to fly because it supports rendition of terrorists?
4 posted on 12/29/2005 3:49:49 PM PST by Republican in CA
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To: aculeus
The Rats & their Big Media friends must be feverishly getting their talking points together.

I'm really surprised no investigative journalist like Mary Mapes found this little gem. ...maybe they did. ...they probably did and didn't report it.

5 posted on 12/29/2005 3:49:54 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

Was any of this...WOULD any of this had been reported by the NY SLIMES as it was now??

Where's the OUTRAGE over the leak in the first place!!

DAB


6 posted on 12/29/2005 3:53:23 PM PST by AirBorn
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To: TexasCajun

Then why didn't he use this program to give Bin Laden to the Saudi's when Sudan offered him up on a platter?


7 posted on 12/29/2005 3:56:06 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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Then why didn't he use this program to give Bin Laden to the Saudi's when Sudan offered him up on a platter

We need to ask Slick about that.

We also need to ask Little Dickie Clarke what he knew of this program and why he hasn't mentioned it as an ABC News analyst.

8 posted on 12/29/2005 3:59:13 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: aculeus

Democrats are conveniently amnesiac.


9 posted on 12/29/2005 4:03:02 PM PST by citizencon
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To: TexasCajun

Yes.... Paging Richard freakin Clarke!

Makes me wonder if this is what the SandBurglar was stealing from the archives.


10 posted on 12/29/2005 4:03:58 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: aculeus

Good post. Sadly we know how far these type reports shall go.


11 posted on 12/29/2005 4:15:14 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Good post. Sadly we know how far these type reports shall go.

Some of the conservative bloggers might pick it up. I also believe a few media types scan FR for leads

12 posted on 12/29/2005 4:21:01 PM PST by aculeus
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"President Clinton, his national security adviser Sandy Berger and his terrorism adviser Richard Clark ordered the CIA in the autumn of 1995 to destroy al-Qaeda,"

Well, BJ Clinton sure did a lousy job of it!

13 posted on 12/29/2005 4:22:41 PM PST by airborne (If being a Christian was a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: TexasCajun
The CIA's controversial program of having terrorist suspects captured and questioned on foreign soil began under (IMPEACHED) President Bill Clinton, a former US agent says
14 posted on 12/29/2005 4:23:54 PM PST by kcvl
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To: aculeus
"Some of the conservative bloggers might pick it up. I also believe a few media types scan FR for leads."
I have a sneaky suspicion all L/MSM have people view FR on a regular basis at this point in time.
15 posted on 12/29/2005 4:35:00 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: TexasCajun
"President Clinton, his national security adviser Sandy Berger and his terrorism adviser Richard Clark ordered the CIA in the autumn of 1995 to destroy al-Qaeda," the newspaper quoted Mr Scheuer as saying.

Oh reeeeeealy? In the words (nearly anyway) of Dr. Phil: "So how'd that work for ya?"

As some have already pointed out, so then why did they pass on Osama? This stinks like a planted story.
16 posted on 12/29/2005 5:01:49 PM PST by tongue-tied
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To: Republican in CA
I wondered that too, as well as offer a red herring as to why Sandy Burglar stole those confidential files.

I find this story hard to believe. One of the main reasons we didn't have the Intel we needed on terrorism was that Slick Willie passed a law that our intelligence agents could no longer use 'low lifes,'who are the only ones who snitch to intel agents. They also passed a law saying that we couldn't violate anyone's civil rights. He promptly bogged the intelligence agencies down with reviewing all the contacts intelligence had for the previous 10 years to ensure no one's rights were violated. This effectively prevented them from doing any new intelligence gathering.

Slick Willie was hardly the type to be tough on terrorists and this sounds to me like more legacy-rewriting as well as a Hillary campaign point.
17 posted on 12/29/2005 5:18:59 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I agree about believability, here.
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Hillary!

Why else would Michael Scheuer, a 22-year veteran of the CIA WHO RESIGNED LAST YEAR, tell a GERMAN newspaper what the CIA did, does.

Did he fly in from France, or Disneyland- and the supersecret vacation of SpyMommy and Famous Daddy Wilson?


18 posted on 12/29/2005 7:33:27 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: aculeus
Let me get this straight.

"We asked the president what we should do with the people we capture. Clinton said, 'That's up to you."'"

This article basically says that Sandy Burgler and Richard Clark were making decisions that the President should have made.

Why is this not all over the national news?

I never heard this before. This is big, real big.

19 posted on 12/29/2005 7:45:29 PM PST by AGreatPer
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I think I get it. Clinton wanted nothing to do with hurting his legacy. He worked on that his entire time in office. Leave the important decisions do others who could take the rap.

Spineless Clinton strikes again.

20 posted on 12/29/2005 7:50:54 PM PST by AGreatPer
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