Gee George, you seem to be fixated on this subject.
You are right. Do away with tips and pay them all $5.15 an hour.
The minimum wage could be repealed.
Two thoughts. Tip the waitresses in cash. If employers spread the tips that thin they won't have any employees.
> ... by allowing the employer to pay these other workers
> wages below the minimum wage requirements of this country.
I suspect a majority of posters on this site would support
abolishing the minimum wage altogether, rather than trying
(and failing) to address its unintended consequences with
tip gambits, training wages, and the social burden of those
whose are employable but not yet performaning at MW levels.
Bottom line is: when you take a job, figure out the total
compensation package. If you can beat it elsewhere, go there.
Umm, thanks. I'll have a Chicken Fried Steak, Fries, and Iced Tea.
Without good servers (servers that usually get good tips) a restaurant is screwed. Some restaurants will even fire servers that don't report enough tips.
This brings up another issue if a restaurant takes a server's tips and redistributes them back to the server and other employees then that tip money is income to the restaurant and the redistribution is ordinary income to the recipients. But wait, the employer does not pay the payroll tax on tips and the recipients are forced to do so. What's up with that.
btw, I hear McDonald's is hiring and they DO pay minimum wage.
George Inn?
Criminal? Funny... while you may feel its immorral, its not criminal... after all.. it is the law.
Now, my suggestion is, if you don't like the tip system where you currently work... change jobs.
Welcome to the real world kid.
Move to Washington state. Our state pays servers minimum wage ($7 something an hour), and then their tips are in addition to that.
welcome to the real world and guess what? It sucks.
If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
The Law sucks, but it isn't a new or even novel concept.
Guess what?
IF the employer does that, nobody is gonna work for him very long, and servers, food runners, busboys, etc., are going to be pretty unmotivated. His business won't last a very long. The market will decide the issue for him PDQ.
Well, that's one way to get back to market rates. The people who work under those conditions do it because they are earning more money than they could earn not working under those conditions. Raise the pay requirements and some or all of those jobs will disa[[ear.
Every night, 10 men met at a restaurant for dinner. At the end of the meal, the bill would arrive. They owed $100 for the food that they shared. Every night they lined up in the same order at the cash register.
The first four men paid nothing at all.
The fifth, grumbling about the unfairness of the situation, paid $1.
The sixth man, feeling very generous, paid $3.
The next three men paid $7, $12 and $18, respectively.
The last man was required to pay the remaining balance, $59. He realized that he was forced to pay for not only his own meal but also the unpaid balance left by the first five men.
The 10 men were quite settled into their routine when the restaurant threw them into chaos by announcing that it was cutting its prices. Now dinner for the 10 men would only cost $80.
This clearly would not affect the first four men. They still ate free.
The fifth and sixth men both claimed their piece of the $20 right away. The fifth decided to forgo his $1 contribution.
The sixth pitched in $2.
The seventh man deducted $2 from his usual payment and paid $5.
The eighth man paid $9.
The ninth man paid $12.
Leaving the last man with a bill of $52.
Outside of the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings, and angry outbursts began to erupt. The sixth man yelled, "I only got $1 out of the $20, and he got $7, "pointing at the last man. The fifth man joined in. "Yeah! I only got $1 too. It is unfair that he got seven times more than me.” The seventh man cried, "Why should he get $7 back when I only got $2?” The first four men followed the lead of the others: "We didn't get any of the $20. Where is our share?"
The nine men formed an outraged mob, surrounding the 10th man. The nine angry men carried the 10th man up to the top of a hill and lynched him. The next night, the nine remaining men met at the restaurant for dinner. But when the bill came, there was no one to pay it.
If you don't understand the Democrats' version of tax cuts (and you are not alone), this will help explain it for you:
50,000 people go to a baseball game, but the game was rained out. A refund was then due.
The team was about to mail refunds when the Congressional Democrats stopped them and suggested that they send out refund amounts based on the Democrat National Committee's interpretation of fairness. After all, if the refunds were made based on the price each person paid for the tickets, most of the money would go to the ticket holders of the most expensive tickets. That would be unconscionable.
The DNC plan says:
People in the $10 seats will get back $15, because they have less money to spend. Call it an "Earned" Income Ticket Credit. Persons "earn" it by demonstrating little ambition, few skills and poor work habits, thus keeping them at entry-level wages.
People in the $25 seats will get back $25, because that's only fair.
People in the $50 seats will get back $1, because they already make a lot of money and don't need a refund. If they can afford a $50 ticket, then they must not be paying enough taxes.
People in the $75 luxury seats will have to pay another $50, because they have way too much to spend.
The people driving by the stadium who couldn't afford to watch the game will get $10 each, even though they didn't pay anything in, because they need the most help.
Now do you understand? If not, contact Representative Richard Gephardt or Senator Tom Daschle for assistance.
A few weeks ago, the Internal Revenue Service released data on tax year 2003. They show that the top 1 percent of taxpayers, ranked by adjusted gross income, paid 34.3 percent of all federal income taxes that year. The top 5 percent paid 54.4 percent, the top 10 percent paid 65.8 percent, and the top quarter of taxpayers paid 83.9 percent.
I've never heard of a restaurant where the waiters didn't tip out the runners, busboys, and bar
Finding another job is not going stop these crimes. What many of you are failing to realize is that while you may think you're giving a worker a tip, the businesses of this nation are being allowed to lower the employee's wages because you gave him a tip. The result of allowing business owners an ability to lower the wages of employees whom receive tips is that the employer saves money and thus increases his own income. Businesses are being allowed to increase their own income because you and others like you chose to give their worker a tip. So when you give a waiter a $20 tip, what you are really doing is giving the business owner a $20 tip. You see, while the waiter keeps the $20 you gave him our government has allowed the employer to reduce his wages by $20. The tip credit which was passed back in the 1960' has allowed businesses to profit themselves from the tips customer's give their employees.
To put it truthfully, our government has allowed business owners an ability to steal the finacial benefits of the tips our public presents. If you cannot see a problem with our governmant passing laws which blatantly allow and reward stealing people's personal property for no reason other than greed, then our country is in sad shape. You see, if business owners need more income for themselves, they have every right and ability to simply charge more for their services. There is no reason for allowing businesses to steal the finacial benefits of their employee's tips to make a living. The only reason the tip credit was passed was because restaurant owners wanted to be able to steal the financial benefits of the consumer's tip so they can become rich.
I think it is crap that tips are factored into the salary. If we are going to have a minimum wage law in the first place, businesses shouldn't be able to use the tip as part of the minimum wage. Makes me inclined to not leave a tip at all so that the miser who runs the business has to pick it up.