How the Anti-Evolution Debate Has Evolved

History News Network ^ | 20 December 2005 | Charles A. Israel

[forsnax5]

Personally, I find this debate on Freerepublic entertaining, thought provoking, disgusting, irrational, and sometimes enlightening. It is too bad that this debate could not happen in classrooms across America. The kids might even enjoy school more and stay awake in science class.

I see that you follow these threads for the same reasons I do.

And if I still had any kids in high school, I'd tell them to lurk on these threads. With all the points of view expressed here, there's something for everyone -- and that promise comes with a monkey-back guarantee!

:)

[js1138]

The most hypocritical aspect of the Evos is their desire to constantly have this debate on Freerepublic.

Creationists have brought this on themselves with political organizations like the Discovery Institute. DI is modeled after the way leftists do science. Don't bother with research, just claim the other side is immoral.

[PatrickHenry]

At last, the long-awaited text version of the Dover decision is available, and added to The List-O-Links in the LITIGATION section:

NEW Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al..

[RaceBannon]

People who cite sources of the quotes they provide are not plagerists.

You need some new material

[RaceBannon]

And what you posted was an APE SKULL

The only reason you call it a missing link is the THEORY of EVOLUTION, not any facts, not any evidence, but a BELIEF IN A FALSE SCIENCE

See? It is easy to refute evolution, all you have to do is look and think, all an evo has to do is put on blinders and copy phrases and then, place some obscure fossil into the family tree because they have initials after their name.

Any child that has seen a human skull and an ape skull will know it is an APE skull you posted here, not something that was in line to be an ape

BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THIS ANIMALS ANCESTORS DIED OFF OR NOT BEFORE THEY EVER BECAME MAN, DO YOU?!?!

This is so fun watching you guys try hard and then implode when common sense is applied to your posting...

[VadeRetro]

Funny! All but one of the creationists sampled here say that one (WT 15000) isn't "An ape! Just an ape!" Most of them say "Man! Just a man!" on that one.

Why is it so hard for creationists to agree on what is an ape, just an ape, and what is a man, just a man, if these are separate "created kinds" and nobody would ever mistake one for the other?

[Coyoteman]

And what you posted was an APE SKULL The only reason you call it a missing link is the THEORY of EVOLUTION, not any facts, not any evidence, but a BELIEF IN A FALSE SCIENCE

See? It is easy to refute evolution, all you have to do is look and think, all an evo has to do is put on blinders and copy phrases and then, place some obscure fossil into the family tree because they have initials after their name.

So the fossil I posted is an ape. OK, here are some additional specimens. Please tell me which of the specimens in this photograph are apes.

Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls. Some of the figures have been modified for ease of comparison (only left-right mirroring or removal of a jawbone). (Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.)

[RaceBannon]

As soon as you post the pics of them all on the same scale size of 1:1, I will.

[VadeRetro]

Any child that has seen a human skull and an ape skull will know it is an APE skull you posted here, not something that was in line to be an ape

I think you mean "in line to be a human." However, it actually is pretty far from resembling any modern ape skull. Not a chimp. Not a gorilla. Not an orangutan. Again, in that collection of Young Earth bin-game lawyers, only Cuozzo came down on your "Ape! Just an ape!" position. The rest were yelling "Man! Just a man!"

That's the effect an in-between thing produces when shown to obersvers who on doctrinaire grounds will not acknowledge the plain existence of an in-between thing.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THIS ANIMALS ANCESTORS DIED OFF OR NOT BEFORE THEY EVER BECAME MAN, DO YOU?!?!

I think you mean "descendants." (If your ancestors died off without issue, there is no you.) It doesn't matter whether the individual fossilized had any kids that lived or not, or even if he lived within 1000 miles of the population that gave rise to humans. He's a real clue to what that population would have looked like in his time.

This is so fun watching you guys try hard and then implode when common sense is applied to your posting...

If you're having fun, why are you dissolving in shrill, screaming incoherence?

[RaceBannon]

that was a great find, I have to admit. Like I just posted, we need to see them as the same scale size to make a genuine comparison of some of those...very easy to make fool of oneself guessing from that pic! :)

[RaceBannon]

hehe

Yes, descendants, sorry! :)

On that one, you got me! :)

[Coyoteman]

As soon as you post the pics of them all on the same scale size of 1:1, I will.

It is morphology that is important, not size. Come on, take a whack at which fossils are what.

[PatrickHenry]

I can't stop watching this thread. It's like slowing down to study a crash scene on the highway. And all the while, I'm waiting for that golden quote to add to THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON CREATIONISM.

[VadeRetro]

For a bigger, closer look, click here.

[VadeRetro]

You have to hope the lurkers can figure this out without a road map.

[RaceBannon]

Umm, no...(It is easier when we see them next to each other anyways...)

[Coyoteman]

Umm, no...(It is easier when we see them next to each other anyways...)

That's true. I grad school we used to go into the bone lab and do just that with many of these specimens, along with a lot of the smaller parts. Its very instructive.

After learning the bones of the human skull, when you pick up a monkey skull the bones are all the same; different size of course, and slightly different shape, but you can recognize each bone and many of the landmarks instantly.

[PatrickHenry]

Unless something better comes along, I may have to go with this gem from post 98: I would safely bet that over 90% of all fossils are from the Flood. But I'm hopping for better. Need another bag of popcorn.

[b_sharp]

"Any child that has seen a human skull and an ape skull will know it is an APE skull you posted here, not something that was in line to be an ape

I see you have rigged it so there are only two groups - human and not human. No bias there against the possibility of intermediates between the two, is there? Nice set up.

"BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THIS ANIMALS ANCESTORS DIED OFF OR NOT BEFORE THEY EVER BECAME MAN, DO YOU?!?!

Since in your mind there are no transitional fossils, just them or us, what does it matter?

Funny thing about hominid fossils, they show a gradual increase in brain size, face flattening, upright stance, and leg length. Do you draw your dividing line between the fossils that walk upright (very much unlike other apes) but have small brain size and are quite short and those that don't quite walk upright but have small brain size and are quite short? Or at some other equally arbitrary point?

Tell us, what are the criteria used to differentiate between human and ape fossils?

[RaceBannon]

Sagital crest, number5 of teeth, shape of jawbone

Now, tell me, what features that I just listed show in these non-scale pictures?