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How the Anti-Evolution Debate Has Evolved
History News Network ^ | 20 December 2005 | Charles A. Israel

Posted on 12/30/2005 2:29:22 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: RaceBannon
Nice Ape.

How do they know the broken sharp stone are tools? Was there a handle strapped to one of them?

Too much guessing called science, this specimen in invalid.

The way archaeologists know about stone tools is they learn to make them, and they carefully examine the pieces produced when tools are made. Some people specialize largely in that one particular field. One of my professors had a room full of broken rocks gathered from streams, debris fields, alluvial deposits and all sorts of other places. After much study he was able to determine which were purposefully made and which were natural.

Microwear analysis is a useful technique as well. Under a microscope (often an electron microscope) you can tell if there is wear, and if it is regular. (This is also useful for examining teeth, to get some idea of diet.)

So, not as much guesswork as you might have thought. And that is just the beginning of the studies available.

This specimen is only invalid if you have closed your mind to learning.

261 posted on 01/01/2006 3:14:42 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: spinestein
Just be careful and don't say "both." Because, as you may or may not know, there's evolution and then there are literally thousands of various other supernatural explanations for Earth's diversity of life. Here's a fun one, from right here in America!
262 posted on 01/01/2006 3:27:15 PM PST by whattajoke (I'm back... kinda.)
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To: RaceBannon
Ape or Human?
263 posted on 01/01/2006 3:29:43 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Coyoteman
So, not as much guesswork as you might have thought.

When you don't know anything, it's very easy to imagine that there's nothing to know.

264 posted on 01/01/2006 3:52:03 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
So, not as much guesswork as you might have thought.

When you don't know anything, it's very easy to imagine that there's nothing to know.

Then there are these scientists. Some of them spend all their time researching their chosen fields. They get to know an awful lot after 40 or 50 years.

265 posted on 01/01/2006 3:56:34 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
Then there are these scientists.

Were you there? No? Then it's all guesswork and fraud. Buncha godless commie homo trolls.
</internet idiot mode>

266 posted on 01/01/2006 4:03:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Then there are these scientists.
Were you there? No? Then it's all guesswork and fraud. Buncha godless commie homo trolls.
</internet idiot mode>



That's a joke, right?


267 posted on 01/01/2006 4:04:30 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Coyoteman; RaceBannon
One of our fellow FReepers (I don't remember who) is an expert "flintknapper" and reading some of the information he's posted or linked to shows that properly manufactured stone tools are easily distinguished from stones with naturally occurring wear.

Googol "flintknapping".
268 posted on 01/01/2006 4:07:54 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: spinestein

Note: You spelled googol correctly. Google spells googol incorrectly.


269 posted on 01/01/2006 4:09:59 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: GSHastings
[Please present your evidence which supports the conclusion that the Universe is a "created thing". We'll wait.]

You don't have to wait long

Apparently I do, because I'm *still* waiting.

All around you, you can see complicated items, which have function and purpose.

Such as? And even if you get around to providing some specific examples, that would not support your conclusion unless you could also provide additional evidence that things with "purpose and function" are necessarily the product of intelligence, and could not possibly exist by any other means. Until you can do that, you're just engaging in the fallacy of circular reasoning, or begging the question.

They can be proven without a doubt to have been created by intelligent beings.

They can? Cool! Present your proof.

Please present your evidence which supports the conclusion that the most complicated and purposeful items known (living things) have been spontaneously constructed by time and chance.

You mean besides the fact that we've watched new living things form by evolutionary processes? And the fact that living things form naturally? Last time I checked, puppies aren't built by committees, and in fact new ones pop up without any intelligent intervention at all.

Additionally, there is the massively overwhelming volume of evidence, along multiple cross-confirming lines, that living things are "constructed" in exactly the way that one would expect if they arose by evolutionary processes, and *not* at all in the way one would expect if they had been "created" by "design", *and* that they have, indeed, originated in such a manner (as shown by their histories). See my homepage, or perhaps this post for starters.

270 posted on 01/01/2006 4:13:17 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: durasell
I spelt it the way I learnt it.

<?:^)
271 posted on 01/01/2006 4:18:22 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: Ichneumon
A poster said:
All around you, you can see complicated items, which have function and purpose.

I asked this long ago, but there was no answer -- What is the purpose of a duck?

272 posted on 01/01/2006 4:18:59 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

What is the purpose of a duck?





http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_18002,00.html


273 posted on 01/01/2006 4:23:13 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: PatrickHenry
I asked this long ago, but there was no answer -- What is the purpose of a duck?

To make more ducks.

274 posted on 01/01/2006 4:44:55 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: PatrickHenry
What is the purpose of a duck?

Why a duck?

275 posted on 01/01/2006 4:53:38 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry


How does a duck know what direction south is?
And how to tell his wife from all the other ducks?
You can cut a chicken's head off
and it will keep on running and twitching

[CHORUS]
When everything seems planned out
when everything seems nicely planned out
well the human race will come and smack your face

How come all my body parts so nicely fit together?
All my organs doing their jobs, no help from me!
A person pulls a spider's leg out
To watch it keep on moving and twitching.

Satan lives here: on grain and earth, rain and air.

How come I just smoke and smoke and smoke
and curse every butt I spit out?
All night long I grind my teeth and I wake up when I cough
You can put me in and iron lung
and I will keep on breathing and twitching.

Crash Test Dummies


276 posted on 01/01/2006 4:56:56 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Coyoteman

you're right.

You honestly expect someting that is supposed to be 1 MILLION years old to not age or wear so that after 1 MILLION years it still looks like it did when it was made? Enough to identify it?

You guys are hilarious! :)

No, Really, some of the theories are so funny, because no one in their right mind expects an American Indian arrowhead from the 1600's to be found as intact as any of these so-called stone tools from Lake Turkana appear to be...


277 posted on 01/01/2006 5:29:52 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: jennyp

Jenny, the human jaw bone when viewed from above is almost parabolic, while the ape jawbone is u-shaped.


278 posted on 01/01/2006 5:31:41 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Thatcherite
Oh wolf, you still haven't learned anything. Actually the response to that one is that humans *are* apes.

2006 - Year of the Ape!

279 posted on 01/01/2006 6:38:24 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: VadeRetro
If you're having fun, why are you dissolving in shrill, screaming incoherence?

Because he's an extra in the new movie "The Ringer"? What do I win?

280 posted on 01/01/2006 6:41:19 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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