Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

'No Contact' a Touchy Issue at Middle School [Touching banned at school]
Los Angeles Times ^ | 12/27/05 | Cynthia H. Cho

Posted on 12/30/2005 10:39:06 PM PST by TFFKAMM

Matthew Almodovar likes holding his girlfriend's hand during lunch or when they're walking to class. But at Culver City Middle School, that display of affection could land the couple in trouble.

At the only public middle school in Culver City, it is against school policy for students to hold hands, hug or kiss on campus. Perhaps more important, the "no contact" rule also prohibits students from hitting, shoving or pushing classmates.

Schools nationwide have policies to prevent violence and sexual harassment, but some go further — such as creating a rule against touching. In March, one middle school student in Bend, Ore., was sent to detention after repeatedly defying a teacher's warning to refrain from hugging another student. A similar situation occurred at a junior high in Euless, Texas, in 2003.

Many educators say the policy teaches students what is — and isn't — appropriate behavior at school, which they say is especially important during the middle school years. What's OK at the mall or the movies, some educators say, isn't necessarily OK at school, where the focus should be on academics.

There are others, however, who say that although in theory the policy could be effective, it is nearly impossible to implement because enforcement is subjective and inconsistent.

The policy came out of a meeting two years ago when administrators, counselors and teachers discussed bullying, a topic that former Principal Patricia Jaffe said was "extremely important" at middle schools everywhere. Jaffe was principal at the 1,739-student school until October and is now an assistant superintendent of the Culver City Unified School District...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; education; governmentgulagssuck; keephandstoself; litigation; nocontact; pc; pda; school; sexualharassment; teens; zerotolerance
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last

1 posted on 12/30/2005 10:39:09 PM PST by TFFKAMM
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM
0 intelligence ping
2 posted on 12/30/2005 10:44:52 PM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

Makes me glad I was in school in.....years ago.


3 posted on 12/30/2005 10:45:45 PM PST by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to some one else.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM
Seems like you have to be a certified moron to be a school administrator for a public school nowadays. Total lunacy. My oldest son is 32 and my youngest is not quite 16, but I taught all my sons the same thing. i.e. Some idiot dude gives you too much cr*p and gets physical, ring their 'doorbell'. My only darling daughter just reminded troublemakers that she had more than a couple of brothers. Worked well for all of them. As a mater of fact, there have been very few fights.

No contact? No hand holding? No fights? The liberal, blithering idiots seek to obliterate or ignore basic human nature!

Nam Vet

4 posted on 12/30/2005 10:51:26 PM PST by Nam Vet (The Democrat Party of America is perfectly P.C. * .(* P.C. = Patriotically Challenged)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM
the "no contact" rule also prohibits students from hitting, shoving or pushing classmates.

P.E. must be nothing but calisthetics or track & field.

On the bright side, no pig-push ballroom dance instruction! Woo-hoo!

5 posted on 12/30/2005 10:57:06 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

Stop the blow jobs in class n in the bathrooms not holding hands..jesus tap dancing christ


6 posted on 12/30/2005 11:05:05 PM PST by skaterboy (My candy cane is so yummy and delicious)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM; EdReform

And of course that means that Planned Parenthood will be handing out special 'I did not have contact with that schoolmate' condoms on the playground.


7 posted on 12/30/2005 11:06:33 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Blurblogger
The new Culver City Middle School uniform:


8 posted on 12/30/2005 11:27:24 PM PST by motzman (God helps those who help themselves - B. Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM
Matthew Almodovar likes holding his girlfriend's hand during lunch or when they're walking to class. But at Culver City Middle School, that display of affection could land the couple in trouble.

Why does a middle school student have a girlfriend? This is ridiculous.
9 posted on 12/30/2005 11:33:17 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Adults are leading the way in sexualizing children but this sort of reminds me of those rules at Bob Jones University about no closer than six inches between males and females. The liberal secular education system imitating the rules of a fundamentalist religious school.


10 posted on 12/31/2005 12:21:15 AM PST by Nextrush (Secularists and Fundamentalists are both humanistic legalists. (Pharisees and Saducees))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Nextrush

Complete stupidity if you ask me. How about working on math and English skills instead of worrying about that crap.


11 posted on 12/31/2005 12:24:23 AM PST by binkdeville
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

The biggest problem in middle schools are the female vice principals.


12 posted on 12/31/2005 12:27:24 AM PST by FOG724 (A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM
This is pretty close to one of the major reasons why my live-in grand kids are going to private school. When I checked out the local school district's policy manual for the public schools, I found out that a Kindergardener who hugs another kid can be written up for sexual harassment.

Within the hour I had my granddaughter enrolled in a parochial school.

13 posted on 12/31/2005 12:29:03 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

Government gulags suck.


14 posted on 12/31/2005 12:43:24 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

This is middle school. Hats off to the school. There is a reason why kids graduate without being able to read. Their idea of school is getting together with the opposite sex for anything but studying and reading.


15 posted on 12/31/2005 12:45:33 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

I suppose Indian rope burns and "noogies" are right out! (A cheerless place.)


16 posted on 12/31/2005 1:51:29 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (My exit strategy is Victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ThisLittleLightofMine

What's so ridiculous about puppy love?


17 posted on 12/31/2005 3:58:12 AM PST by thoughtomator (How to recognize the enemy: he says "peace" and means something entirely different)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Nextrush
The liberal secular education system imitating the rules of a fundamentalist religious school

But think how this will ease the transition

Bob Jones > liberal secular education system >

18 posted on 12/31/2005 4:35:39 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Free Speech is not for everyone, If you don't like it, then don't use it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: motzman
Didn't I see Leslie Nielson don one of those in a Naked Gun film?
19 posted on 12/31/2005 4:50:41 AM PST by newzjunkey ((Tagline on holiday.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM
Zero Tolerance = ZERO Judgment
20 posted on 12/31/2005 5:06:02 AM PST by SkyPilot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

Have they ever seen 10 year old boys play? They run back and forth chasing a ball. There's no way they can play without touching. And if they don't play like that during recess they're going to have ants in their pants all afternoon. Idiots.


21 posted on 12/31/2005 5:09:57 AM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Why does a middle school student have a girlfriend? This is ridiculous.

It is a bit ridiculous but consider the world we live in.

22 posted on 12/31/2005 5:29:07 AM PST by newzjunkey ((Tagline on holiday.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: old and tired
That's not what they're concerned with. It's the explosion of oral sex among middle schoolers (WA Post 1999) in classrooms, on school buses and sexual intercourse among them as well (1 in 5 in Tampa-area schools).

There are dozens of these stories in a given year. It's shocking. It's disturbing. Add in the increasing number of female teachers (including one with HIV) molesting 13 year old boys and you have to think the world has gone mad.

23 posted on 12/31/2005 5:37:22 AM PST by newzjunkey ((Tagline on holiday.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: skaterboy

You need a Yahoo message board, not Free Republic.


24 posted on 12/31/2005 6:09:16 AM PST by em2vn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

So does this mean that touch football is now Mental touch football?

"But Coach, I touched him in my mind he's down at the 5 yard line!"


25 posted on 12/31/2005 6:29:41 AM PST by ChefKeith (Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,lawyers & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

This is not a new issue. My HS had a controversy over the same policy in the 80's.


26 posted on 12/31/2005 6:58:44 AM PST by SALChamps03
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

And in other news, a no tolerance policy has been adopted against human behavior.


27 posted on 12/31/2005 7:03:16 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NaughtiusMaximus

Goes to show how out of touch and intolerant you are. It is now referred to as a Native American Rope Burn.

Please, if you are going to be a proper Freeper, use the correct terminology.


28 posted on 12/31/2005 7:52:01 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: cyclotic

I'm sorry, I slipped into my diverstity training mode for a second. The correct term is Indian burn, not Native American Burn.

It won't happen again.


29 posted on 12/31/2005 7:56:28 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

These students need some contact....with my old Jr. High Principal's paddle.


30 posted on 12/31/2005 7:59:32 AM PST by 308MBR (Not only older, but bolder. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FOG724

That depends greatly on the individual female vice principal. The most strict and hard paddling person at one of my old schools was the female VP.


31 posted on 12/31/2005 8:01:44 AM PST by 308MBR (Not only older, but bolder. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Hank Rearden

"Government gulags suck"


There are other kinds?


32 posted on 12/31/2005 9:02:25 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

If the touching is a significant obstacle to the school's basic educational function, then it can be restricted and still survive a Free Speech challenge.


33 posted on 12/31/2005 9:18:37 AM PST by Teacher317
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Why does a middle school student have a girlfriend?

Would you rather he have a boyfriend? ;)

The boyfriend/girlfriend thing was standard practice when I went to middle school almost thirty years ago. Don't act shocked and sad, or try to blame it on Clinton.

34 posted on 12/31/2005 9:22:03 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When government does too much, nobody else does much of anything." -- Mark Steyn)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Adrastus

Reminds me of one the high points of my public school experience. Our principal, "Jolly John", called an assembly to chastise the student body for "inappropriate displays of affection" ie hand-holding, even hugs! He announced that henceforth any intentional physical contact between the sexes would be grounds for an immediate three day suspension. I was sitting with about twenty of the all male, "resist authority" group, as usual, front and center.

We exchanged not a word, planned nothing, had no advance notice of the topic, BUT; every one of us walked out arm in arm with another guy, a couple of the bolder throwing in a peck on the cheek. I really thought the vein in Jolly John's forehead was going to rupture on the spot. By the time we hit the doors, he was hollering something, but who could hear over the laughter, and some of the teachers were laughing the hardest.

Something our litigious times have forgotten; make someone too silly to be taken seriously and you have punctured him more surely than a basketful of lawsuits.


35 posted on 12/31/2005 9:23:07 AM PST by barkeep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: newzjunkey

I walked in on students having sex in a classroom twice in my 4 years, but the mental image burned into my mind was from my first day of student-teaching... walking into a new building, nervous and excited, and I in the stairway I pass a young man with a girl under each arm. He sees me walking up, looking at hime, happily and greedily makes out with one, and as I pass by with a slightly stern look (and probably some confusion in there as well), he non-chalantly turns and starts tonsil boxing with the girl under the other arm. A very quick lesson on what I was walking into.


36 posted on 12/31/2005 9:24:03 AM PST by Teacher317
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: NaughtiusMaximus

And Wedgies? harmless play or sexual emascualization?
It's a slippery slope but we won't go there.


37 posted on 12/31/2005 9:24:30 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM
"Any of you 'HOMOS' touch me and I'll kill ya!'

"Lighten up Francis."

38 posted on 12/31/2005 9:24:45 AM PST by Semper Paratus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 308MBR
That depends greatly on the individual female vice principal.

The ones I've run into are hard core feminists. Boys are evil and girls are perfect.

39 posted on 12/31/2005 11:18:10 AM PST by FOG724 (A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: ThisLittleLightofMine

I had a "girlfriend" in 8th grade or so.

It is actually that time when you get the Puppy Love and all the sleepless nights.


40 posted on 12/31/2005 11:19:57 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: NaughtiusMaximus
I suppose Indian rope burns and "noogies" are right out!

Not only can't you give an Indian rope burn, you can't even talk about it. Might offend some one.

41 posted on 12/31/2005 11:25:09 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: cyclotic

"Native American Rope Burn. " ROTFLMAO!!

Excuse me all to h*ll Chief! I guess I've been out in the bush way too long.

:)


42 posted on 12/31/2005 11:28:23 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (My exit strategy is Victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: taxesareforever

I don't understand what all the fuss is about-all these rules at Culver Middle School were in effect at my middle school way back in 1960.
No one complained back then about them being unreasonable.


43 posted on 12/31/2005 11:28:24 AM PST by Riverman94610
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003

You had a girlfriend in EIGHTH Grade?
Man,I was so scared of girls back then it wasn't funny.All I cared about was would the Giants put Willie Mc Covey on First Base or Left Field at Candlestick each day.


44 posted on 12/31/2005 11:32:13 AM PST by Riverman94610
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Riverman94610

Yeah, back then we weren't being taught that "we" the students had "rights" and school administration had to take a back seats to what "we" the students felt was our right.


45 posted on 12/31/2005 11:38:14 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: ChefKeith

No sports teams at all. No tagging the runner out, no screening a defender at the foul line... football? Forget about it. Then there is wrestling...


46 posted on 12/31/2005 11:47:23 AM PST by j_tull (Happy New Year!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Riverman94610
Man,I was so scared of girls back then it wasn't funny.All I cared about was would the Giants put Willie Mc Covey on First Base or Left Field at Candlestick each day.

It was a transitory age. This was when you would touch a girl's hand and "feel funny."

But you wanted to "feel funny" some more, so you would "go around." A lip to lip kiss would put you in orbit for a week.

And the exquisite pain when it ended (as it must at that age). Your senses were full, the highs and the lows. Pain more painful, laugha much louder.

Kids today don't get to have that shy, slow approach IMHO. And they don't seem to get to experience that wonderful first love (or even second). It seems bangbang -- straight to sex.

Near as I can tell we are around the same age. McCovey was circa 1971?

47 posted on 12/31/2005 11:48:52 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Riverman94610
You had a girlfriend in EIGHTH Grade?

Hmm...I had a 7th Grader classmate (14/15 y.o.? in 1969) pregnant/married to a 21.
5.5 kids by, the age of 19 y.o. in 1974.

48 posted on 12/31/2005 3:41:55 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: TFFKAMM

Zero Tolerance = Zero thought required.


49 posted on 12/31/2005 3:44:11 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Why does a middle school student have a girlfriend? This is ridiculous.

Why would it be ridiculous? I had my first girl friend in the 1st grade. We even kissed.
50 posted on 12/31/2005 3:46:21 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson