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To: LEPEN

The only reason MACs don't have viruses is that nobody targets them.

Software is software. If someone wanted to exploit the MACOS, they could.


18 posted on 01/02/2006 4:02:43 PM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Paloma_55
The only reason MACs (sic) don't have viruses is that nobody targets them.

False. That "security by obscurity" theory has been shot down many times by people who know what they are talking about. Five years, 20,000,000 users, and counting with no OSX exploits in the wild.

28 posted on 01/02/2006 4:10:57 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Paloma_55; Laserman; LEPEN

If Metasploit and the other packet crafting tools were directed at Macs with as much vigor as at Windows, Macs would have a huge increase in vulnerabilities.

Anything connected to the Internet and accepting/processing unknown packets is theoretically exploitable. And it will get worse (or a million-dollar product solution for someone), because tools such as Metasploit make it possible to undermine the fundamental design of ALL firewalls, intrusion detection, and AV products.

These packet crafters make it (relative) child's play to change signatures quickly, thus evading conventional security measures (e.g., signature detection). Think of it this way: one attack has a hexadecimal payload, the next gen is in binary; and the one after that is decimal. Or a handful of uneeded bytes discarded or rearranged, again to avoid the detection measures.

OS X doesn't provide any inherent protection against these types of attacks or methods. I like the Mac, but it really is security through obscurity.


52 posted on 01/02/2006 4:30:25 PM PST by angkor
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To: Paloma_55
The only reason MACs don't have viruses is that nobody targets them.

And that changes the situation today exactly how? The independent clause, "nobody targets them" is irrelevant. As you said, "MACs don't have viruses".

Some might say, "Well, if enough people starting using Macs, somebody COULD write Mac viruses." So what? Today, and for the forseeable future, "Macs don't have viruses".

54 posted on 01/02/2006 4:31:57 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Paloma_55
The only reason MACs don't have viruses is that nobody targets them.

I just knew if I scrolled down this thread a while, I'd see exactly this bit of fud thrown out.

Fortunately, I have a reply that I've previously written to counter this silly FUD.


Why bother writing a virus for 3% of the US computer market?

Oh, I don't know. Perhaps as someone else already said on this thread, it might be done for the bragging rights of having created the first successful virus/worm to attack Macs.

I've seen this charge that the small market share that Mac and Linux have is what keeps them safe. It is repeated often enough and seems reasonable enough until you actually look at the history of some other worms/viruses.

Consider: the spread of the Witty Worm.

Quoth the poster:

Witty infected only about a tenth as many hosts than the next smallest widespread Internet worm. Where SQL Slammer infected between 75,000 and 100,000 computers, the vulnerable population of the Witty worm was only about 12,000 computers. Although researchers have long predicted that a fast-probing worm could infect a small population very quickly, Witty is the first worm to demonstrate this capability. While Witty took 30 minutes longer than SQL Slammer to infect its vulnerable population, both worms spread far faster than human intervention could stop them. In the past, users of software that is not ubiquitously deployed have considered themselves relatively safe from most network-based pathogens. Witty demonstrates that a remotely accessible bug in any minimally popular piece of software can be successfully exploited by an automated attack.

I suspect there are more than 12,000 Linux and/or Mac hosts out there on the internet.

Also, consider that the folks who were hit with this were also among the more security-concious users:

The vulnerable host population pool for the Witty worm was quite different from that of previous virulent worms. Previous worms have lagged several weeks behind publication of details about the remote-exploit bug, and large portions of the victim populations appeared to not know what software was running on their machines, let alone take steps to make sure that software was up to date with security patches. In contrast, the Witty worm infected a population of hosts that were proactive about security -- they were running firewall software. The Witty worm also started to spread the day after information about the exploit and the software upgrades to fix the bug were available.

Show me a successful worm/virus against Macs and I'll listen. Until then, your talking point is FUD.

35 posted on 04/08/2005 10:35:22 PM CDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))

134 posted on 01/02/2006 7:50:04 PM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Paloma_55

"The only reason MACs don't have viruses is that nobody targets them.

Software is software. If someone wanted to exploit the MACOS, they could."

Perhaps. Another aspect to keep in mind is that the Mac OS is based on BSD, and from what i'm told, it's vastly harder to exploit BSD, in the order of several magnitudes. One would think one of these cretins would go after the Mac just because the of the Mac vs. PC stupidity prevelant everywhere these days.'

I think another key element is the stuff we're not saddled with...like Explorer and Outlook, the two favorite targets for the nasties. I know that since I switched my laptop from Explorer and Outlook to Firefox and web based e-mail, my infections have dropped to nil.


163 posted on 01/03/2006 12:55:01 AM PST by ByDesign
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