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To: tgambill
Much better.

Presently, you bring up the Murder of the three Albanian Americans again but this time you use it to justify the murder of a man in police custody, while undergoing interrogation.

Wrong. I do not use it to justify anything. I use it as an example to render absurd the argument that the Serbs are more "Law and Order" than the K-Albanians.

See my earlier comments about your comprehension of written English, while accepting my congratulations for ditching the Mr. Hyde writing style.

Furthermore, the Serb police didn't kill the Bytyqi brothers because they were terrorists. There was no trial charging terrorism, so no verdict, and no legal basis for the murderer's actions whatsoever - merely the same firearms enabled violent Serbian bigotry which had been practiced against non-Serbs under Milosevic since 1991. The only "message" Serbian "justice" sent at the time was that we had good cause to remove it from Kosovo, and each successive year that the Bytyqi case has remained unresolved has merely reinforced that initial message.

So while I can and do condemn a K-Albanian policeman for murdering a suspect without any hesitation or conflict of interest, you've shown that you're more than happy to promote foreign views which are not only counterproductive for the citizens of Serbia, but are directly at odds with American interests, and have resulted in the death of American citizens.

You're nothing but a broken record player Tom, issuing the same tired rationalizations and outright lies we've seen here on FR for at least the last 5 years, regardless of whether you're spinning a yarn about Bosnia or Kosovo.

In the end, none of what you say matters - a bit player like yourself is going to have about as much effect on American Balkans policy as any of the other nutjobs we've got polluting FR's discussions with their asinine prejudice driven opinions.

So yeah, you could go on, and yeah, it will serve no purpose.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 1:36:41 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
"In the end, none of what you say matters "

You should heed your own post Popeye.

25 posted on 01/05/2006 1:51:41 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Hoplite
Holbrooke admits to links between bin laden and the kla

Cumberland, Md.: Where you aware of the KLA and Bosnian Muslims' ties to Osama bin Laden at the time you were negotiating with them?

Richard C. Holbrooke: Yes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/02/nation/sp_nation_holbrooke091002.htm

A mere two years prior to 9-11.

Would would the neighbors think?
26 posted on 01/05/2006 5:41:04 PM PST by infidel_and_proud
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To: Hoplite

The Serbs have "tons" of more law and order than the Albanians. Hoppie! Once again you failed to read the remainder of my post. You overlooked the parts that are contrary to your agenda, mainly about the corrupt procedures and behaviors. You also forget that the Serbs are the ones that arrested Milosevic in the first place. Duh!!!, for lack of any other descriptive word, but it seems to apply perfectly.

The Serbs actually curtailed the drug trade and kept the Albanian, Serbian, Macedonian, Russian and Italian Mafia's always guessing. They were also effective in causing the Mafia's to adjust their routes. When the UN, the U.S. along with the rest of the international organizations took over, the crime bosses, 42 to be exact, moved into Kosovo in 199-20000. At that time the drug trade started running rampant. Human trafficking was at it's best, using internationals as mules. This includes an occasional American CivPol Officer or two or three taking them to Serbian border. Other CivPol Officers also took the money and joined the criminal elements. Islamic Fundies were and to a point are operating as well. Granted, I do know that whenever a signficant Islamic Terrorist showed up in the Al Haramain or RHIS groups......lolol....:) they did disappear and ended up in a faraway jail. This was just a little side note relayed to me over the years. I also know that NATO had factual information concerning these groups that they didn't share with the U.S.....games games games.....

So, all I can say is gee whiz, sorry, got off track a little. So, let's talk about the newly established and highly professional "Law and Order" of the Albanian authorities and ICTY. ????????????????

Milosevic is running circles around them. Most all of the Albanian KLA members who murdered Albanians and Serbs are free because of ICTY screw-ups due to a lack of evidence or witnesses. And, a-n-d, most all the witnesses against Ramush, Fatmir, and others are, guess what? Murdered. This includes former members of the FARK which were Albanian professional fighters. Tahir Zemaj comes to mind for one and also Commander Drini. You say that this argument is absurb based on one incident....????? The Serb investigators didn't even have to bring it up in the first place.......

I like my Mr Hyde writing style.....it's......hmmmmm, it's endearing to upset and confuse you. :)

You, nor I can say why the Serbian police killed the Bytyqi brothers. I’m sure they didn’t kill them because they had Koran’s or were selling Fuller Brushes. It's the way they do things in the Balkans. They killed them because they were terrorist. The KLA murdered Serbs cleaning out entire villages, even killing the animals. Sorry, but I have the documentation and testimony. Even Albanians are witnesses. (if they live long enough). There were no violent Serb bigotry to the scale that is protrayed in the media. Were there murders, yes. The Serbs are cleaning their own laundry with media coverage. Is the ICTY doing the same, No. They are afraid of another March 17-18, 2004. Yes, for both the Serbs and Albanians Milosevic had to be removed in one way or another. Did we have justification to invade Kosovo, NOT EVEN CLOSE, as the figures were completely falsified. There were no mass graves, if so, name them! There were no Rape hotels...all false reports to justify the invasion, and bought with Albanian Mafia money given to the American Democratic party. The Spanish Doctor resigned in disgust because none were found. He issued very dramatic statments concerning the lies.

You say the Bytyqi case has remained unresolved and this reinforced the initial message?? Are you serious?? You must be smoking "sumptin" besides Cool's. What about the 1500 Serbs murdered since 1999...inclusive of women, children, and old people?? None resolved……..when arrests were made, they were released.

I WILL promote domestic views about a foreign country when; One, my tax money is being wasted by it ending up in the personal bank accounts belonging to UNMIK department heads and Mafia figures to waste. Two, the money is being spent on extremist who are murdering innocent people, lying to promote genocide in Kosovo, allowing human trafficking and a flourishing drug trade to continue and in all ways resulting in a grand injustice. Third, it is linked with our current fight against the Islamic Fundies.

Our putting out the truth is not counterproductive for the citizens in Serbia. If so, I would love for you to come with me to the next SUC session and say that.....hey, got the balls to put your money where your mouth is. As a matter of fact, give me your email address and I'll put you in touch with the former President of the SUC. You can get his opinion about our presentation at the SUC in Vegas, last November. We presented the same points that I'm talking about here, but in vivid detail.

Now, yes, my opinions are at SERIOUS odds with American interests because we are making a grave mistake. We are basically supporting Muslims killing Orthodox Christians. It is self serving, wrong, and criminal doing what we are doing. The troops are doing the best they can with the “convoluted policy” that we have designed. Most soldiers that have been in Kosovo and have returned to the states will agree. I have personally talked with those leaving after their 6 month deployment. This also includes their disgust with our policy. The orientation they receive before deploying is erroneous and misleading, even now. They still think the Serbs are the bad guys.

“And have resulted in the Death of American Citizens”….

Pray tell what are you talking about? If you mean that by revealing the truth, it has caused the death of Americans via the extremist? You can kiss my ass on that one. The Muslims will kill if we won’t convert, no matter if we kiss their “sheet head” butts, or take their money to improve our knowledge concerning Islam. This comment is out in left field. What citizens? Where? When? You are a seriously disjointed and a significant trouble maker, who has an agenda. How old are you? Do you actually work or just plain retired? Maybe bored because no one else listens to you. Married or single? or just lonely either way? You are way off base.

I am a broken record, and will continue to be, giving out the same, factual, and consistent facts with dates and times. Has it ever occurred to you that the one reason I’m like a broken record and have said much of the same thing that others have said over the past five years; is because it’s true information. Wow, what a concept that is. You sound like this nut-job I knew back in Kosovo named Schmitt or Shultz, Snell or something like that …….who worked at Bondsteel. What a piece of work, a real nut job.

I will go on and probably increase the intensity……get used to it……


27 posted on 01/05/2006 6:34:05 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite
You're nothing but a broken record player Tom, issuing the same tired rationalizations and outright lies we've seen here on FR for at least the last 5 years, regardless of whether you're spinning a yarn about Bosnia or Kosovo.

Hoppy baby, you must be a glutton for punishment if you spend 5 years reading 'tired rationalizations' and 'outright lies' on a forum that is open to all, with all levels of education? Why would you not move on to a forum that is closer to your education level and moronic thinking? Might I suggest the Democratic Underground website? I would think that you might be happier there! And it would delight us uneducated simpletons here on FR who spew 'tired rationalizations' and 'outright lies' to know that a person of mature stature, such as yourself, would be reading and responding elsewhere.

Just a humble opinion Hoppy, take it for what it's worth. flameguard/on

30 posted on 01/05/2006 7:03:08 PM PST by eeriegeno
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