Posted on 01/04/2006 9:43:54 AM PST by kronos77
PRISTINA, Serbia and Montenegro, Jan 4 (Reuters) - A policeman in Kosovo shot and killed a man during his interrogation in an Albanian-style "blood feud" to avenge the murder of his brother.
Police said the officer shot the 38-year-old suspect late on Tuesday as he was being questioned about illegal firearms at the Pec police station in the west of the United Nations-run province. The officer was subsequently arrested.
Local reports alleged the detainee's brother had stabbed to death the police officer's brother at a nightclub six months ago.
The Pristina daily Express quoted the detainee's lawyer as saying he had warned officers in charge that the two families were "locked in a blood feud." Albania has long had a tradition of blood feuds, often stretching over generations.
Such feuds still surface in Albania and in Serbia's disputed province of Kosovo, where ethnic Albanians make up 90 percent of the population.
They are based on the centuries-old Lek Dugagjini Code which states that Albanian families can avenge the killing of a relative by taking the life of either the killer or a member of their family.
Hoplite, are you the language police now, too? What a sad way to avoid addressing the points Tom raised in his post...
LOL!!! I noticed that as well, Hoplite's pride with being detail oriented has bit him im the ass.
well, I'm still waiting and am looking forward to reading the response. I did in fact rewrite the post, with all the editing of a second draft but not a third or fourth.
Also, in the Libertyforum.org I've stirred the pot again concerning Islam and opposing views. That is going on currently. I'm tired of all this BS and barking at the moon. I'm strongly considering cutting down on personal time not working and make it a personal mission to start writing editorials and shotgunning them to as many newspapers as possible warning about Islam and the second issue our involvement in Kosovo. I'm starting to get pissed off.......
Presently, you bring up the Murder of the three Albanian Americans again but this time you use it to justify the murder of a man in police custody, while undergoing interrogation.
Wrong. I do not use it to justify anything. I use it as an example to render absurd the argument that the Serbs are more "Law and Order" than the K-Albanians.
See my earlier comments about your comprehension of written English, while accepting my congratulations for ditching the Mr. Hyde writing style.
Furthermore, the Serb police didn't kill the Bytyqi brothers because they were terrorists. There was no trial charging terrorism, so no verdict, and no legal basis for the murderer's actions whatsoever - merely the same firearms enabled violent Serbian bigotry which had been practiced against non-Serbs under Milosevic since 1991. The only "message" Serbian "justice" sent at the time was that we had good cause to remove it from Kosovo, and each successive year that the Bytyqi case has remained unresolved has merely reinforced that initial message.
So while I can and do condemn a K-Albanian policeman for murdering a suspect without any hesitation or conflict of interest, you've shown that you're more than happy to promote foreign views which are not only counterproductive for the citizens of Serbia, but are directly at odds with American interests, and have resulted in the death of American citizens.
You're nothing but a broken record player Tom, issuing the same tired rationalizations and outright lies we've seen here on FR for at least the last 5 years, regardless of whether you're spinning a yarn about Bosnia or Kosovo.
In the end, none of what you say matters - a bit player like yourself is going to have about as much effect on American Balkans policy as any of the other nutjobs we've got polluting FR's discussions with their asinine prejudice driven opinions.
So yeah, you could go on, and yeah, it will serve no purpose.
You should heed your own post Popeye.
The Serbs have "tons" of more law and order than the Albanians. Hoppie! Once again you failed to read the remainder of my post. You overlooked the parts that are contrary to your agenda, mainly about the corrupt procedures and behaviors. You also forget that the Serbs are the ones that arrested Milosevic in the first place. Duh!!!, for lack of any other descriptive word, but it seems to apply perfectly.
The Serbs actually curtailed the drug trade and kept the Albanian, Serbian, Macedonian, Russian and Italian Mafia's always guessing. They were also effective in causing the Mafia's to adjust their routes. When the UN, the U.S. along with the rest of the international organizations took over, the crime bosses, 42 to be exact, moved into Kosovo in 199-20000. At that time the drug trade started running rampant. Human trafficking was at it's best, using internationals as mules. This includes an occasional American CivPol Officer or two or three taking them to Serbian border. Other CivPol Officers also took the money and joined the criminal elements. Islamic Fundies were and to a point are operating as well. Granted, I do know that whenever a signficant Islamic Terrorist showed up in the Al Haramain or RHIS groups......lolol....:) they did disappear and ended up in a faraway jail. This was just a little side note relayed to me over the years. I also know that NATO had factual information concerning these groups that they didn't share with the U.S.....games games games.....
So, all I can say is gee whiz, sorry, got off track a little. So, let's talk about the newly established and highly professional "Law and Order" of the Albanian authorities and ICTY. ????????????????
Milosevic is running circles around them. Most all of the Albanian KLA members who murdered Albanians and Serbs are free because of ICTY screw-ups due to a lack of evidence or witnesses. And, a-n-d, most all the witnesses against Ramush, Fatmir, and others are, guess what? Murdered. This includes former members of the FARK which were Albanian professional fighters. Tahir Zemaj comes to mind for one and also Commander Drini. You say that this argument is absurb based on one incident....????? The Serb investigators didn't even have to bring it up in the first place.......
I like my Mr Hyde writing style.....it's......hmmmmm, it's endearing to upset and confuse you. :)
You, nor I can say why the Serbian police killed the Bytyqi brothers. Im sure they didnt kill them because they had Korans or were selling Fuller Brushes. It's the way they do things in the Balkans. They killed them because they were terrorist. The KLA murdered Serbs cleaning out entire villages, even killing the animals. Sorry, but I have the documentation and testimony. Even Albanians are witnesses. (if they live long enough). There were no violent Serb bigotry to the scale that is protrayed in the media. Were there murders, yes. The Serbs are cleaning their own laundry with media coverage. Is the ICTY doing the same, No. They are afraid of another March 17-18, 2004. Yes, for both the Serbs and Albanians Milosevic had to be removed in one way or another. Did we have justification to invade Kosovo, NOT EVEN CLOSE, as the figures were completely falsified. There were no mass graves, if so, name them! There were no Rape hotels...all false reports to justify the invasion, and bought with Albanian Mafia money given to the American Democratic party. The Spanish Doctor resigned in disgust because none were found. He issued very dramatic statments concerning the lies.
You say the Bytyqi case has remained unresolved and this reinforced the initial message?? Are you serious?? You must be smoking "sumptin" besides Cool's. What about the 1500 Serbs murdered since 1999...inclusive of women, children, and old people?? None resolved
..when arrests were made, they were released.
I WILL promote domestic views about a foreign country when; One, my tax money is being wasted by it ending up in the personal bank accounts belonging to UNMIK department heads and Mafia figures to waste. Two, the money is being spent on extremist who are murdering innocent people, lying to promote genocide in Kosovo, allowing human trafficking and a flourishing drug trade to continue and in all ways resulting in a grand injustice. Third, it is linked with our current fight against the Islamic Fundies.
Our putting out the truth is not counterproductive for the citizens in Serbia. If so, I would love for you to come with me to the next SUC session and say that.....hey, got the balls to put your money where your mouth is. As a matter of fact, give me your email address and I'll put you in touch with the former President of the SUC. You can get his opinion about our presentation at the SUC in Vegas, last November. We presented the same points that I'm talking about here, but in vivid detail.
Now, yes, my opinions are at SERIOUS odds with American interests because we are making a grave mistake. We are basically supporting Muslims killing Orthodox Christians. It is self serving, wrong, and criminal doing what we are doing. The troops are doing the best they can with the convoluted policy that we have designed. Most soldiers that have been in Kosovo and have returned to the states will agree. I have personally talked with those leaving after their 6 month deployment. This also includes their disgust with our policy. The orientation they receive before deploying is erroneous and misleading, even now. They still think the Serbs are the bad guys.
And have resulted in the Death of American Citizens
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Pray tell what are you talking about? If you mean that by revealing the truth, it has caused the death of Americans via the extremist? You can kiss my ass on that one. The Muslims will kill if we wont convert, no matter if we kiss their sheet head butts, or take their money to improve our knowledge concerning Islam. This comment is out in left field. What citizens? Where? When? You are a seriously disjointed and a significant trouble maker, who has an agenda. How old are you? Do you actually work or just plain retired? Maybe bored because no one else listens to you. Married or single? or just lonely either way? You are way off base.
I am a broken record, and will continue to be, giving out the same, factual, and consistent facts with dates and times. Has it ever occurred to you that the one reason Im like a broken record and have said much of the same thing that others have said over the past five years; is because its true information. Wow, what a concept that is. You sound like this nut-job I knew back in Kosovo named Schmitt or Shultz, Snell or something like that
.who worked at Bondsteel. What a piece of work, a real nut job.
I will go on and probably increase the intensity
get used to it
As for Bosnia, get yourself a copy of "Al-Qaida's Jihad In Europe", by Evan Kohlmann. The Bosnians accepted the conditional removal of the mujahadeen as part of the Dayton Accords, with the exception of a hundred-odd who married Bosnian women and were allowed to stay.
We've been in Bosnia for over a decade, and while there have been planned attacks which have been prevented, no American has lost his life to a terrorist attack there, and the Bosnians go out of their way to facilitate our counterterrorism activities, as when they handed over the 6 Algerians back in 2002 over the objections of the Bosnian Human Rights Chamber.
Hoppy baby, you must be a glutton for punishment if you spend 5 years reading 'tired rationalizations' and 'outright lies' on a forum that is open to all, with all levels of education? Why would you not move on to a forum that is closer to your education level and moronic thinking? Might I suggest the Democratic Underground website? I would think that you might be happier there! And it would delight us uneducated simpletons here on FR who spew 'tired rationalizations' and 'outright lies' to know that a person of mature stature, such as yourself, would be reading and responding elsewhere.
Just a humble opinion Hoppy, take it for what it's worth. flameguard/on
Yeah, help me out - which conflict was Dayton concerned with?
The only tie the KLA had with Al Qaida during the time of Holbrooke's involvement in Kosovo was an April 1998 meeting in Tirana between the KLA supreme command and Claude Kader, where the KLA told Kader to take a hike.
Kader was arrested 2 months later, and the rest of his 4 man cell was scooped up by a combined CIA/Albanian intelligence service operation soon thereafter. Kader is in Albanian prison for killing his interpreter, and his colleagues were extradited to Egypt.
As to Al Qaida being in Kosovo after the war, if they're there, they're certainly not following any of Osama's fatwas to attack Americans wherever they may be found, are they?
Consider it done.
As to the rest of it, you're just going farther into Serb nationalist la-la land.
When the soldiers on individual unit basis has enough of the KLA shenanigans, hostilities will increase two-fold and that will be the start of overt hostilities against our troops in Kosovo.
Hoplite, I thought you were just a fat, out of work or unhappy politicah 50 yard quarterback. However, I'm beginning to think, maybe it's the southern comfort talking, that you are actually working for the Saudi's or the CIA as a flunky assigned to provide disinformation in this particular site. You don't have the qualifications to be a regular agent, but they pay you a fair sum to monitor these sites and provide the typical lies. :) If you are employed by the Saudi's then they will have you cleaning camel shit after you finish this gig......My guess, Democratic party and CIA flunky......making a few bucks.......on the side. Maybe with a touch of homo in you....maybe.......:))
Holbrooke is a whore......he said the truth in 1998 and changed his speech when the Democratic started receiving campaign funds from the Albanian Mafia......
"The Bosnians accepted the conditional removal of the mujahadeen as part of the Dayton Accords, with the exception of a hundred-odd who married Bosnian women and were allowed to stay."
**** they accepted the conditional removal, but it never happened.......in reality. The Islamic side has not attacked Americans because they are not focused in that area yet. They only attack when the population is supportive and surveillance has demonstrated that they will have continued success. You do not understand the Arab mind.......or their tactics. They have kept no side of the bargain. The CIA has tolerated the Islamist presence because it served the purpose against the Serbs.
Your BS won't work here........I will not let you spin this to a lie.......Few attacks have been planned and prevented due to cooperation, I'll agree. But the Islamist are working with the CIA due to a common enemy....the Serbs. When that ends, they WILL attack Americans........
Except for the implication that working for foreign interests against American interests makes one a whore, which I agree with 100%, I'm going to have to score your last efforts as a failure.
Again.
Fact of the matter is Tom that you don't have the ability to insult me in any meaningful way.
Well, I take that back. That you think you could nettle me is vaguely insulting in of itself, so score yourself a point there, sport.
"The only tie the KLA had with Al Qaida during the time of Holbrooke's involvement in Kosovo was an April 1998 meeting in Tirana between the KLA supreme command and Claude Kader, where the KLA told Kader to take a hike."
******Sorry, but there are video tapes of UN and NATO commanders, and Western Advisors working with MUH/Al Quada in Bosnia. In addition, Al Qaida has been in Kosovo since 1999....Al Haramain signed an agreement with the UN to offer Humanitarian assistance. A Saudi NGO, that was banned in Afghanstan and Pakistan. An Iranian NGO, RHIS...was running free in Prizren......also an Al Qaeda organization. I have a document signed by the manager of Al Haramain with the UN offering "Humantarian Aid"....in February 2002. In 1998, the Al Haramain was linked to Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan and Afghanistan. On March 11, 2002, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neal announced blocking the accounts of Somalia and Bosnia-Herzegovina branches of Al Haramain that had been engaged in supporting terrorist organizations such as Al Qaida, AIAI and others.
You might find it interesting the following inside information that you and many people there may not know. Information received at the end of 2004, was enough to link the CIA, BND, and Austrian intelligence services with elements of the former KLA and Islamic cells in Kosovo and Macedonia. The links were very intense in order to avoid any possible risk for the foreign soldiers. It was seen from the documentation that has went public in some cases, that KFOR knew about the cooperation among Al Qaeda, KLA veterans, representatives of certain Islamic communities, KPS, KPC, the media, and some UNMIK repts., as stated in the "Raska-Prizren Eparchy's paper, with the remark that teh American and German intelligence service continue with their secret games with Albanian extremists, that it is known that there are still Al Qaeda cells in Kosovo with whom they are making the agreement. "We give you independence, you don't touch our soldiers!". It is thought that if this does not happen, there will be a new program, mentioned by the Eparchy's paper the possibility of a new organized violence that will "surprise KFOR". I preached this 3-4 years ago but no body pays any attention. Mostly because of arrogance and stupidity.
You have amateur knowledge and either reading too much TV guides or doing searches on the internet trying to find sources that fits your agenda. I WILL NOT let it happen......get used to it......
Tom
So, Hoplite what do you want to know about Bosnia? I'll fill you in and get you up to speed. You have no idea of the truth because your mind is not open to truth. You have a biased opinion for one reason or another.......but it's not credible.
Childish taunts....?? this is your style since 2000...I've read a lot of your posts by accident, and they are all the same. My Milieu is the entire Balkan theatre. What do you want to know rookie.
Instead of "scoring my efforts a failure", be more specific, I challenge you to provide facts to dispute anything I posted. Otherwise, your score has absolutely no basis or credible significance.........You seem to have a high regard for your info which is completly off track. Give me specifics or facts........
You are the one doing the insulting mostly with no facts....give me facts....not a general "scoring"....which means nothing.
:)), opps, maybe I did throw some Insults your way....:)) Oh well, it builds character........you can handle it. But still no facts back......come on, don't disappoint me.
Did you know, as a matter of fact, that the U.S. and UK government has tried to disguise and even suppress evidence of any links to the terrorist buildup in and around Bosnia. In addition, sources have indicated that any "All American" official that even thought about questioning this policy was "corrected" in some way or another. There are also clear links with the terrorist in Bosnia to the bombings in London, Madrid and U.S. As a matter of fact unconfirmed information also states that Musab al Zarqawi may work in Bosnia to conduct WMD attacks in Europe. Bosnia is the key to controlling Jihadist movements in Europe. The US and UK needs to cut the shit out and get rid of the pro-Jihadist leaders from Bosnia and stop the political correctness which it has adopted......or else the bombs will start soon...You have a who's who in Bosnia. For example Abu El Maali....who knows Atmani....linked to GIA.....(France comes to mind), but you wouldn't know that. Oh, remember the Al Haramain....? Well in some areas they changed their name to "Vazir"......go figure.
You are out of your league here...don't even try......
Tom
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