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Windows XP Home: obsolete sooner than you expect
Ars Technica ^ | 3 January 2006 | Ken "Caesar" Fisher

Posted on 01/04/2006 9:59:39 AM PST by ShadowAce

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To: The KG9 Kid

I would like to point out there are almost as many desktop Linux users as there are Mac Users..


81 posted on 01/04/2006 11:31:33 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

When I said that XP is not 5.1, one I was wrong with regards to XP Pro being 5., but in my experience XP home is more like ME in its usefulness; I get more people having to upgrade XP Home to XP pro, much the same way that Me users upgraded to 2000, or later to XP if they still had Me.
XP home and Me are useless, IMO.


82 posted on 01/04/2006 11:32:37 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: dfwgator

Exactly - a friend of mine just called today with a terminal case - this problem is underreported in the tech press since it's so hard to characterize - but it's a real phenomenon even in my shop that has professional IT support, a secure firewall, and mostly knowledgable users.


83 posted on 01/04/2006 11:34:53 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Heck, all OS upgrades force hardware upgrades eventually (even Sun), and if they don't the resident apps will. Can't get off that treadmill.

I won't make any categorical statements on workstations - de gustibus non est disputandum - but I can state with fair confidence that W2K3 server is an improvement over W2K server, even advanced server. For one thing you get to run W2K3 Active Directory as a consequence, which is definitely an improvement over its predecessor.

As for the workstation OS holy wars I remain dispassionate. I have to support them all anyway.

84 posted on 01/04/2006 11:40:02 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
XP kernel code is identical for Home and Pro. Home is "pared down" to remove a bunch of utilities. Backup is gone. User management with policy is removed. Many business networking elements (VPN) are removed.

Windows Me was the last non-NT kernel hack of Windows 98se.

The best way to lay your hands on XP Pro is to purchase a motherboard or hard disk from a PC vendor and get the OEM XP disk for half price. The OEM disk is typically offered for $149. The "upgrade" is usually priced at $199.

85 posted on 01/04/2006 11:41:29 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Deltaforceeoo7

On my machine I do the following: Go to Start menu, Control Panel then Security Center. Click the icon for Manage Automatic Updates. You probably have the top box checked, check either "Notify me but don't automatically download updates" or "Turn off Automatic Updates".

I've got mine set to notify me but don't download.. but then again, we're networking 6 machines on a 56k connection and 3 people in the house are EQ/WOW players. We have to arrange download times carefully. When we had broadband, I had the updates auto dl and install.


86 posted on 01/04/2006 11:41:29 AM PST by jamily (The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know)
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To: doc30; TXBSAFH; ShadowAce
in the lab where I work, over a thrid of our machines are NT. TO upgrade to another operating system would mean having to buy new instruments that the computers run. THat would kost $80-100K per machine - just not feasible.

On the other hand would it make any sense to upgrade the computers connected to the instruments? If they originally came with Windows NT, they're probably around 200-400 Mhz. You could probably redeploy newer computers that aren't worth upgrading to handle Windows Vista, but would run Windows NT 10 times faster or more. Windows NT 4 is compatible with Windows Server 2003, so it can be integrated with networks.

87 posted on 01/04/2006 11:41:55 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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88 posted on 01/04/2006 11:43:06 AM PST by csvset
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Keep your registry and startup clean (I recommend EasyCleaner by ToniArts), and defragment regularly (the built-in Windows tool is fine for this). In conjunction with keeping your system virus- and spyware-free, doing the above should keep your system running as fast as it was when new. Faster, actually, since a big part of keeping the registry and startup clean is getting rid of a lot of the crap that every manufacturer seems to want to saddle new machines with.


89 posted on 01/04/2006 11:43:57 AM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: XeniaSt

Okay, we heard you the first time. Now kindly let the rest of us discuss the REAL operating systems! (btw, Ive had XP Pro running for 2 weeks straight w/o a reboot--ran every program too--office, quake4, far cry, mozilla, nero, etc..so there!)


90 posted on 01/04/2006 11:44:12 AM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Turbopilot

Spyware is a huge player, most people just don't realize how much it slows things down.


91 posted on 01/04/2006 11:45:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: TChris
I use both XP and 2000 at home and have had the same experience there. Very stable and reliable. Any problems trace back to hardware.

My credentials are similar to yours and my experience is the same. XP and 2000 are very stable and reliable. I can tolerate Linux with 25 years of UNIX background. It's not a good fit for the unwashed consumer. It is perfectly fine as a server OS for web servers and databases. I also use it for some embedded systems when I'm not deploying on QNX.

92 posted on 01/04/2006 11:47:19 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Billthedrill
Heck, all OS upgrades force hardware upgrades eventually (even Sun), and if they don't the resident apps will. Can't get off that treadmill.

But I would rather be the one to decide when to make the change. I'd hate to have have my apps break due to an automatic upgrade.

93 posted on 01/04/2006 11:47:38 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: ShadowAce
As someone not overly familiar with Windows, I would suggest try to turn off Automatic Updates.

As someone familiar with Windows I would suggest people not listen to technical advice from people not familiar with Windows.

But just for information, Windows has several levels of automatic updates. One level, the one I mostly use, downloads at night , then advises you that they are available for installation. There is another level that installs automatically, and one that will reboot if necessary and the computer has not been in use recently.

Automatic updates could be a pain for someone on dialup.

94 posted on 01/04/2006 11:50:58 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: dfwgator

It's almost always the first culprit not only in system slowdowns, but in "odd" problems that seem to span multiple programs or happen without user input. It seems that if it is possible for code to break a given program, someone has released that code on the internet.


95 posted on 01/04/2006 11:52:20 AM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: js1138
As someone familiar with Windows I would suggest people not listen to technical advice from people not familiar with Windows.

..which is why I included the caveat. He asked me. I did not solicit nor intrude upon his question. Try to at least be civil, please.

96 posted on 01/04/2006 11:54:19 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: MineralMan; ThePythonicCow
Are either of you familiar with hardware firewalls for the consumer market? Specifically, I have been thinking about purchasing either AlphaShield or Stingray's firewall, but am hesitating because my own knowledge about such products is weak. I want the best possible online security at home because I hope to telecommute if such opportunities arise.

I recently bought a new (non-big-brand) PC, obtained DSL service through SBC (they supply the latest 2wire modem), and have Norton AV, Zone Alarm, and Webroot's anti-spyware software. I thought a hardware firewall would also be beneficial.

I bought both Anonymizer and GhostSurf Platinum, but have been disappointed in both because they caused more problems than they solved. So I thought a hardware firewall would be beneficial.

I trust your opinions on these tech matters, so anything you can impart will be most welcome.

97 posted on 01/04/2006 11:55:14 AM PST by Wolfstar ("We must...all hang together or...we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Wolfstar

Hi. I don't know that much about hardware firewalls, but you might consider buying a router and using the firewall software that comes with it. Isolate yourself from the direct connection to the DSL line.


98 posted on 01/04/2006 11:58:31 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Isolate yourself from the direct connection to the DSL line.

Thanks for your reply, MineralMan. Yes, that's what I thought was best to do. Just not sure the best way to go about it. When I ordered DSL from SBC, I discussed this with the person who took my order. He said he didn't think it was necessary because the 2wire DSL modem is "the latest" and supposedly acts as a hardware firewall. Bull!

99 posted on 01/04/2006 12:02:30 PM PST by Wolfstar ("We must...all hang together or...we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Windsong
Okay, we heard you the first time. Now kindly let the rest of us discuss the REAL operating systems! (btw, Ive had XP Pro running for 2 weeks straight w/o a reboot--ran every program too--office, quake4, far cry, mozilla, nero, etc..so there!)

90 posted on 01/04/2006 12:44:12 PM MST by Windsong

I consider z/os; z/vm ; System V and BSD Unix as real operating systems.

Anything from Bill Gates is a Personal Computer operating system.

100 posted on 01/04/2006 12:05:29 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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