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Fitzgerald To Rice: Start making sense
Jihad Watch ^ | Jan. 5, 2006 | Hugh Fitzgerald

Posted on 01/05/2006 8:11:37 AM PST by conservativecorner

Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald offers some advice to the Secretary of State:

Condoleeza Rice, for various reasons, is deemed untouchable. She is The One Who Must Be Obeyed and Never Criticized. Nonsense. Her bullying of Israel is only part of it. But because it is so obviously based on an almost willful incomprehension of Islam, and of why the Arabs and Muslims have been engaged in a relentless campaign against that state, it is worth emphasizing. Not understanding that no Infidel nation-state can possibly be contemplated by Arab Muslims, and particularly not one that is under the control of the much-despised yahudim (Jews), and that the size of Israel does not matter in the least, Rice keeps promoting, or parroting the idea of, the "two-state solution" (and we know it must be a "solution" because otherwise they would not have called it a "solution," now would they?). She does not understand that the divisions among "Palestinians" are only about means, and tactics, not about ultimate ends.

Rice’s ignorance is matched only by her incomprehension. She still thinks that territorial "compromise" is the path to peace – “compromise” in this case meaning continued Israeli surrender of territory to which it has a legal, historic and moral claim (including the claims under the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine, which she really should take the time to read and study. She should then also to read and study about the history of the non-Arabs and non-Muslims in what she seems to think is "the Arab world").

And because Rice does not understand what Islam is all about, she also does not understand that its menace will not be diminished in any way by the creation of a viable nation-state called Iraq. Such a state will not be a "Light Unto the Muslim Nations" and will do nothing to diminish the power of the Islamic jihad imperative. The Administration shows no signs of recognizing that Iraq presents a much more realistic and much more valuable opportunity to weaken that jihad imperative by letting the natural resentments of Kurds for Arabs, and of Shi'a for Sunnis (which we see so much of in today’s headlines), to play out -- without the Americans standing in the middle to take casualties and to hand out money to be pocked by the most fantastically corrupt group of people with whom the Americans have ever had to deal. How much of American taxpayers' money has already been spirited out of Iraq to pay for Arab Muslims living in luxury, while many of those same taxpayers suffer at home, is a fascinating question. Rice doesn't get Islam, so of course she doesn't get how to divide, demoralize, and throw into disarray the forces of jihad -- by withdrawing from, rather than remaining in, Iraq. In fact, Rice's comments on Israel, while they reveal the depth of her ignorant self-assurance, are matched by her lecturing the Kurds. This should not be forgotten. For a free Kurdistan should be supported. The Turks should be told that they will have to accept it. They may even come to see a free Kurdistan incorporating northern Iraq and other territories taken from Iran and Syria, as not a step on the way to the loss of what is presently Turkish territory, but rather to a less compelling moral case for the Kurds of Turkey to demand greater autonomy, or even independence, if there is now at least one place where the Kurdish desire for national self-expression exists.

The kidglove treatment of her by the press is not warranted. Has everyone forgotten how she failed to meet with Richard Clarke? Bright Young Conservatives and other lockstep supporters of Bush were simply too busy vilifying Clarke, and too busy defending anyone and everyone in the Bush Administration, that they could not see that she was responsible for a good deal and was getting away with fudging the matter. Two to three years ago Condoleeza Rice, a great resume-artist (isn't everyone these days?), was sending her resume off so that she might be considered for the presidency of the University of Pennsylvania. She didn't get the job. Her consolation prize, showing what a swell guy Bush is, was the job of Secretary of State.

No one – not Rice or anyone else -- should be in a position of authority in Washington who has not bothered to acquaint himself with the teachings of Islam. If Robert Spencer's books are not enough, supplement them with the studies of the dhimmi by Bat Ye'or, the testimonies of ex-Muslims (Ibn Warraq's "Why I Am Not a Muslim" and "Leaving Islam"), Bostom’s “Legacy of Jihad,” and all the websites of the many former Muslims or former residents of countries where, as non-Muslims, they were subject to the oppression, in little ways and big, that all non-Muslims must endure in Muslim societies. Ali Sina (a one-man whirlwind), Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel, Nonie Darwish, Anwar Shaikh, Azam Kamguian, Irfan Khawaja. All were born into Islam, or if non-Muslims, born into Islamic societies or societies heavily influenced by Islam (as in the case of Brigitte Gabriel). All are now living in the West. There are enough such people, just like the refugees and defectors from Communism, to tell us the truth of what Islam teaches, and what attitudes and atmospherics arise naturally from it.

Rice is not stupid. She can study. She can learn about Islam. But she has to decide to make the effort, and to stop repeating cliches and nonsense about it. These not only mislead the public but get in the way of the fashioning of policies that make sense.

Start making sense.


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1 posted on 01/05/2006 8:11:38 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

He thinks she can learn.

I think there are things about bullying and the way bullies think that women are constitutionally unable to understand.


2 posted on 01/05/2006 8:15:17 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: conservativecorner
If Robert Spencer's books are not enough, supplement them with the studies of the dhimmi by Bat Ye'or, the testimonies of ex-Muslims (Ibn Warraq's "Why I Am Not a Muslim" and "Leaving Islam"), Bostom’s “Legacy of Jihad,” and all the websites of the many former Muslims or former residents of countries where, as non-Muslims, they were subject to the oppression, in little ways and big, that all non-Muslims must endure in Muslim societies.

The book Infiltration should be added to that list. Paul Sperry has done a lot of research and forever changed my mind about Muslims and Islam. Sperry and Spencer are on the right track, but we can't expect our elected leaders to condemn Islam because half of them are either afraid or in bed with Arabs.

3 posted on 01/05/2006 8:19:27 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
Has everyone forgotten how she failed to meet with Richard Clarke?

Not me! I was thrilled she ignored that little dweeb early on!

4 posted on 01/05/2006 8:21:16 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: conservativecorner
The author is on target about Islam.

Now if we could get Condi and Bush to read the Koran they might tone down their confusing statements on the subject of Islam. -Tom

5 posted on 01/05/2006 8:24:01 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: conservativecorner

The kidglove treatment of her by the press is not warranted.


The Liberal New York Slimes, knows a good Palestinian-friendly State dept. when they see it.


6 posted on 01/05/2006 8:24:07 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: conservativecorner

"Bullying"? Read an account of the USS Liberty. Israel knows real bullying when it wants something bad enough. Sheesh.


7 posted on 01/05/2006 8:26:20 AM PST by bkepley
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To: Capt. Tom

At this stage of the game, I believe they would both convert--their ignorance is matched only by their arrogance (from a life long Republican)


8 posted on 01/05/2006 8:27:03 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: bkepley

""Bullying"? Read an account of the USS Liberty. Israel knows real bullying when it wants something bad enough."

I think there are things yet to come out regarding that incident.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 8:29:34 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: conservativecorner
No one – not Rice or anyone else -- should be in a position of authority in Washington who has not bothered to acquaint himself with the teachings of Islam.

Including the "Islam is a religion of Peace" Mr Bush himself?

10 posted on 01/05/2006 8:32:44 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: bkepley

*plonk*


11 posted on 01/05/2006 8:33:25 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: dsc

Well in any case it's a bad sign for Israel. Next they'll be whining that we have hurt their feelings. Could the hard and professional Israel be becoming decadent?


12 posted on 01/05/2006 8:42:39 AM PST by bkepley
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To: richardtavor
At this stage of the game, I believe they would both convert--their ignorance is matched only by their arrogance (from a life long Republican)

Bush wouldn't have to convert since he believes we all worship the same God.

2003 - To the horror of some folks, the President responded, "I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person," Bush answered. "I also condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world. It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same God."

Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Commission, says the President is wrong and that we should remember that he is the "Commander-in-Chief, not theologian-in-chief. And when he says that he believes that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, he is simply mistaken."

I haven't heard any corrections from the White House to this mis-statement. -Tom

13 posted on 01/05/2006 8:55:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: conservativecorner
Has everyone forgotten how she failed to meet with Richard Clarke?

What? Thats your case?

I can say what I want about Islam in general, because I'm not Secretary of State, nor am I president.

I don't have to deal with the fact that my war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan both depend upon bases located in muslim countries. I don't have to deal with the fact that muslims are backing me in Iraq while non-muslims like the EU and Russia and China are undercutting me at every turn.

Bush (and Rice) have to maintain access to our Kuwaiti, and Qatari, and Bahraini, and Omani bases that make this whole thing possible. We are using Iraqi troops against Iraqi and other arab insurgents, we are using Afghan fighters against other Afghan insurgents, we have FBI and special ops guys sneaky-pete-ing their way around Pakistan looking for the baddies, we have special forces guys basing out of Jordan, in other words, the last thing we want is a unified muslim world, unified against us. That means you walk a fine line, and you do not insult your hosts.

The work we are doing in Iraq redounds to Israel's benefit, and our enemies and Israel both know that. Which is why Israel bends over backward not to do or say anything that makes our life more difficult.

Still, Israel has her own immediate problems to deal with, which is why there is a certain tension between an action that would help us in our negotiations with Egypt, for example, but carries too high a cost for Israel. So they may push back on some issue or other.

There is another issue as well. Israel lives with certain realities. One of them is that there is a limit to her own willingness to wage war; she is herself looking for "solutions". Some of these solutions are politically difficult to sell; its easier to blame the Americans occasionally than to explain the need to do a particular thing.

Rice isn't selling her own policy; she is selling Bush's policy. It is shaped by competing needs of at least three different war efforts, and both the long term and short term security needs of Israel and the US. You can't always admit what you are doing, your friends can't always admit that they agree, and some of your friends can't even admit they are your friends in every case.

14 posted on 01/05/2006 9:02:18 AM PST by marron
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To: bkepley

"Next they'll be whining that we have hurt their feelings. Could the hard and professional Israel be becoming decadent?"

Well, Sharon seems to be at the end of the road, so there may be a shakeup.


15 posted on 01/05/2006 9:02:59 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: conservativecorner
Her bullying of Israel is only part of it.

I stopped reading after this silliness.

16 posted on 01/05/2006 9:04:10 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: richardtavor
(from a life long Republican)

That's what all the trolls say.

17 posted on 01/05/2006 9:05:37 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Howlin
Has everyone forgotten how she failed to meet with Richard Clarke? ................ Not me! I was thrilled she ignored that little dweeb early on!

Richard Clarke is not a dweeb! He is a perverted Homosexual; MmmKay!


18 posted on 01/05/2006 9:25:20 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: MEGoody

No Troll, believe me--check my posts--I have a differing view of the President and his policies in regards to Israel.


19 posted on 01/05/2006 9:26:09 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: dsc; conservativecorner

<< He thinks she can learn.

I think there are things about bullying and the way bullies think that women are constitutionally unable to understand. >>

Run that one by Karen Hughes, why don'tcha?


20 posted on 01/05/2006 9:28:15 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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