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Fitzgerald To Rice: Start making sense
Jihad Watch ^ | Jan. 5, 2006 | Hugh Fitzgerald

Posted on 01/05/2006 8:11:37 AM PST by conservativecorner

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1 posted on 01/05/2006 8:11:38 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

He thinks she can learn.

I think there are things about bullying and the way bullies think that women are constitutionally unable to understand.


2 posted on 01/05/2006 8:15:17 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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If Robert Spencer's books are not enough, supplement them with the studies of the dhimmi by Bat Ye'or, the testimonies of ex-Muslims (Ibn Warraq's "Why I Am Not a Muslim" and "Leaving Islam"), Bostom’s “Legacy of Jihad,” and all the websites of the many former Muslims or former residents of countries where, as non-Muslims, they were subject to the oppression, in little ways and big, that all non-Muslims must endure in Muslim societies.

The book Infiltration should be added to that list. Paul Sperry has done a lot of research and forever changed my mind about Muslims and Islam. Sperry and Spencer are on the right track, but we can't expect our elected leaders to condemn Islam because half of them are either afraid or in bed with Arabs.

3 posted on 01/05/2006 8:19:27 AM PST by Peach
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Has everyone forgotten how she failed to meet with Richard Clarke?

Not me! I was thrilled she ignored that little dweeb early on!

4 posted on 01/05/2006 8:21:16 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: conservativecorner
The author is on target about Islam.

Now if we could get Condi and Bush to read the Koran they might tone down their confusing statements on the subject of Islam. -Tom

5 posted on 01/05/2006 8:24:01 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: conservativecorner

The kidglove treatment of her by the press is not warranted.


The Liberal New York Slimes, knows a good Palestinian-friendly State dept. when they see it.


6 posted on 01/05/2006 8:24:07 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: conservativecorner

"Bullying"? Read an account of the USS Liberty. Israel knows real bullying when it wants something bad enough. Sheesh.


7 posted on 01/05/2006 8:26:20 AM PST by bkepley
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At this stage of the game, I believe they would both convert--their ignorance is matched only by their arrogance (from a life long Republican)


8 posted on 01/05/2006 8:27:03 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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""Bullying"? Read an account of the USS Liberty. Israel knows real bullying when it wants something bad enough."

I think there are things yet to come out regarding that incident.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 8:29:34 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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No one – not Rice or anyone else -- should be in a position of authority in Washington who has not bothered to acquaint himself with the teachings of Islam.

Including the "Islam is a religion of Peace" Mr Bush himself?

10 posted on 01/05/2006 8:32:44 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: bkepley

*plonk*


11 posted on 01/05/2006 8:33:25 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Well in any case it's a bad sign for Israel. Next they'll be whining that we have hurt their feelings. Could the hard and professional Israel be becoming decadent?


12 posted on 01/05/2006 8:42:39 AM PST by bkepley
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To: richardtavor
At this stage of the game, I believe they would both convert--their ignorance is matched only by their arrogance (from a life long Republican)

Bush wouldn't have to convert since he believes we all worship the same God.

2003 - To the horror of some folks, the President responded, "I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person," Bush answered. "I also condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world. It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same God."

Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Commission, says the President is wrong and that we should remember that he is the "Commander-in-Chief, not theologian-in-chief. And when he says that he believes that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, he is simply mistaken."

I haven't heard any corrections from the White House to this mis-statement. -Tom

13 posted on 01/05/2006 8:55:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: conservativecorner
Has everyone forgotten how she failed to meet with Richard Clarke?

What? Thats your case?

I can say what I want about Islam in general, because I'm not Secretary of State, nor am I president.

I don't have to deal with the fact that my war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan both depend upon bases located in muslim countries. I don't have to deal with the fact that muslims are backing me in Iraq while non-muslims like the EU and Russia and China are undercutting me at every turn.

Bush (and Rice) have to maintain access to our Kuwaiti, and Qatari, and Bahraini, and Omani bases that make this whole thing possible. We are using Iraqi troops against Iraqi and other arab insurgents, we are using Afghan fighters against other Afghan insurgents, we have FBI and special ops guys sneaky-pete-ing their way around Pakistan looking for the baddies, we have special forces guys basing out of Jordan, in other words, the last thing we want is a unified muslim world, unified against us. That means you walk a fine line, and you do not insult your hosts.

The work we are doing in Iraq redounds to Israel's benefit, and our enemies and Israel both know that. Which is why Israel bends over backward not to do or say anything that makes our life more difficult.

Still, Israel has her own immediate problems to deal with, which is why there is a certain tension between an action that would help us in our negotiations with Egypt, for example, but carries too high a cost for Israel. So they may push back on some issue or other.

There is another issue as well. Israel lives with certain realities. One of them is that there is a limit to her own willingness to wage war; she is herself looking for "solutions". Some of these solutions are politically difficult to sell; its easier to blame the Americans occasionally than to explain the need to do a particular thing.

Rice isn't selling her own policy; she is selling Bush's policy. It is shaped by competing needs of at least three different war efforts, and both the long term and short term security needs of Israel and the US. You can't always admit what you are doing, your friends can't always admit that they agree, and some of your friends can't even admit they are your friends in every case.

14 posted on 01/05/2006 9:02:18 AM PST by marron
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"Next they'll be whining that we have hurt their feelings. Could the hard and professional Israel be becoming decadent?"

Well, Sharon seems to be at the end of the road, so there may be a shakeup.


15 posted on 01/05/2006 9:02:59 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: conservativecorner
Her bullying of Israel is only part of it.

I stopped reading after this silliness.

16 posted on 01/05/2006 9:04:10 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: richardtavor
(from a life long Republican)

That's what all the trolls say.

17 posted on 01/05/2006 9:05:37 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Howlin
Has everyone forgotten how she failed to meet with Richard Clarke? ................ Not me! I was thrilled she ignored that little dweeb early on!

Richard Clarke is not a dweeb! He is a perverted Homosexual; MmmKay!


18 posted on 01/05/2006 9:25:20 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: MEGoody

No Troll, believe me--check my posts--I have a differing view of the President and his policies in regards to Israel.


19 posted on 01/05/2006 9:26:09 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: dsc; conservativecorner

<< He thinks she can learn.

I think there are things about bullying and the way bullies think that women are constitutionally unable to understand. >>

Run that one by Karen Hughes, why don'tcha?


20 posted on 01/05/2006 9:28:15 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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