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Something must be done to keep Iran from obtaining nukes. The EU has failed.

Time is running out. We will not do anything in the next few days. We have, perhaps, a month. Perhaps less.

1 posted on 01/05/2006 12:09:36 PM PST by EternalHope
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The probelm though is that many people are going to be skeptical about Iran's capabilities in light of the stories & intelligence which were reported about Iraq which turned out to be erroneous from the recent past.


2 posted on 01/05/2006 12:15:49 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: EternalHope
Secretary Rice did attend the meeting today. I think you are on to something here.

Iran's President Ahmadinejad said today, “We must believe in the fact that Islam is not confined to geographical borders, ethnic groups and nations. It’s a universal ideology that leads the world to justice. We don’t shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world.”

In the mean time, leftists are busy trying to impeach President George W. Bush for spying on telephone conversation by associates of Al Qaeda. Go figure.
3 posted on 01/05/2006 12:17:48 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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Just another thought to add to all the mayhem in the Middle East, with Ariel Sharon being in the condition he is, I wonder how that will add or detract (if you will) to this terrible situation?

Bible prophecies coming true?


4 posted on 01/05/2006 12:19:54 PM PST by MadCharity (Blow ye wind, like a trumpet, but without all that noise. Jack Handy)
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"All living former Secretaries of State and Secretaries of Defense have been summoned to a meeting tomorrow (Friday, January 6, 2006). To the best of my knowledge this has never been done before."

Where did you get the above information, please?

If your information is correct, how do you know this meeting is not about something else, like Sharon's illness, for example?

Thanks.


5 posted on 01/05/2006 12:20:02 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Alan Colmes defamed US military personnel, I don't allow Hannity and Colmes on my TV.)
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Just a few guesses. Although there was quite a run up to Iraq, I think the Iran attack is being planned in deep secret and will be launched without warning.

We probably think an Israeli attack with some covert US help will not lead to an Iranian counterattack. I think we may be wrong there.

We may see an Iranian counter attack into Iraq, which would leave us no choice but for a defensive war to take out the Iranian regime. Unfortunately, Iran will probably launch covert terror in Iraq, Israel and the USA.

I'd rather see us take that last bridge and finish the Iranian threat on the ground, but I doubt we are planning that.

6 posted on 01/05/2006 12:20:57 PM PST by Williams
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Within the EU and China they are getting used to the idea of a nuke Iran and trying to see what might be in it for them. Everyone knows that diplomacy and sanctions are hopeless, but short of a tactical nuclear strike on Iran or a extended conventional air war, there are no other realistic options. They don't have the stomach for war unless there as a direct of war on them. There is a wild card with the Arabs, however, who fear Persian domination.
The Russians and Paki's need to be brought to heel if containment is to work.


7 posted on 01/05/2006 12:22:12 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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It's simple really: you bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. What are they going to do? They are already piping terrorists into Iraq as fast as they can. A conventional attack into Iraq is suicide. I doubt they have nukes yet to use against us, but if they employ biochem weapons it gives carte blanche to us to annihilate them from afar if we so choose.

Iran is not Iraq. Since many Persians despise the Mullahs, we don't need to invade Iran like we did Iraq. Wipe out Iran's nuclear research and take out it's leaders. Use covert forces to help install friendly resistance factions in power. We may deploy a small peacekeeping force to Iran afterwards as a show-the-flag kind of thing.
8 posted on 01/05/2006 12:22:40 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: EternalHope

I hadn't thought of this scenario, but it sounds plausible.


10 posted on 01/05/2006 12:23:27 PM PST by McGruff
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All living former Secretaries of State and Secretaries of Defense have been summoned to a meeting tomorrow (Friday, January 6, 2006).

96 dead ones were invited too, but so far none have RSVP'd.

12 posted on 01/05/2006 12:25:09 PM PST by Cementjungle
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"...There's a Bad Fool on the Rise!"


13 posted on 01/05/2006 12:25:15 PM PST by Baby Driver
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Interesting thoughts there. All I can say is that Iran seems to be coming to a head - this year, I'd say. Maybe soon.


15 posted on 01/05/2006 12:30:22 PM PST by cvq3842
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"The Iranian people do not support their insane government."

Many in Iran welcomed the Ayatollah Koumeini and the overthrow of the Shah. Do these same people now advocate the overthrow of the present regime? What percentage of Iranians would welcome the overthrow of the present regime? What percentage would welcome it but would remain Muslim if given a real choice of religions? What percentage would be open to conversion to Christianity? To Zoroastrianism?

Is the situation similar to Oliver Cromwell's insane regime in 17th century Britain? Many welcomed the establishment of puritanism, but, after a few years of his murderous regime, were eager for the restoration of the monarchy, the return of Charles II, and the condemnation--for many, including me, the permanent condemnation--of puritanism.

I still condemn fundamentalist puritanism in its various forms, including the insane and murderous Islamic fundamentalism and the equally insane, if less murderous, neo-puritanism of the Western Left, which finds so much in common with Islamic fundamentalism and the other various versions of puritannical extremism.

How many in Iran share my disgust with insane, murderous, puritannical, and un-Godly(!) extremism and would be willing to put an end to it once and for all?

The percentage of the population is important, but, that aside, such people will find loyal allies, throughtout the world and, of considerable importance, throughout the United States.

17 posted on 01/05/2006 12:33:14 PM PST by Savage Beast (Why George W. Bush is a Great President in five words or less: 9/11 was never repeated.)
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Land access from the east, west, sea and air give us the needed advantages but I would still like to see the Mullahs toppled peacefully from within by the young Iranians who like western culture. Time available for the peaceful solution is growing shorter each day.


18 posted on 01/05/2006 12:35:40 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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No matter what we do against Iran, if it involves bombing their nuclear facilities, the outcry against the US "occupation" will continue. Nothing new? Nope--but the Democrats will take advantage of this and call Bush an emperor-in-training or somesuch nonsense; they will point to the Middle Eastern cries of "Empire building," and the renewed demands for the USA to leave Iraq, and even accelerated suicide bombings and such in Iraq and elsewhere. We will be seen as the west attempting to take over the Middle East.

The Dems will attack our administration from the inside while Iran and Syria and the Palestinians will continue to attack our troops on the ground. Somewhere in this mess, the Dems will find an angle to call again for impeachment; the MSM will continue to smear the Republicans with Abramoff, DeLay, Libby etc. as a completely corrupt party; the UN will denounce the US. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and Al, Hillary, and Murtha will call for Bush to resign. We will lose control in the House and Senate in 2006. HRC will become our next president on a "Let's focus on our domestic problems" woman-targeted campaign. Her VP will be John McCain.

The last sentence is the only one I'm kidding about. But of course this is mere speculation that won't come to pass.

20 posted on 01/05/2006 12:36:51 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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The Iranian people do not support their insane government. But they have not been able to overthrow that government, and there is almost no chance that they will be able to do so in time.

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If the first part of your statement is true (I am not convinced) then how do you explain the second part? The iranians got rid of the shah by taking to the streets and getting killed in the process.

28 posted on 01/05/2006 12:58:17 PM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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Kindly note:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541389/posts?page=2051#2051


33 posted on 01/05/2006 1:04:35 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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So much for your screen name.

All kidding aside, at some point, the survival instinct will force Israel, and by extension, the U.S., to take action. Ahmadenijad is an evil mad genius and we need to think outside the box.

However, I think any threats against Israel are a feint. My theory is that Iran is going to attack Saudi Arabia and lay waste to their oil fields in order to draw us out of Baghdad and cut our economic throats at the same time. They can corner the oil market, build nuclear power plants, and watch the West crumble. They don't have to attack Israel at all.
Now, with that in mind, let's watch closely and see if Saudi Arabia and Jordan try to strike a deal with Israel to be protected under their nuclear umbrella if Iran should go after Saudi Arabia and/or Jordan.
36 posted on 01/05/2006 1:10:00 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Thank you, Matt Leinart, for three awesome years!)
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ping for your thoughts


41 posted on 01/05/2006 1:21:49 PM PST by Freebird Forever (If they're truly public servants, why do they live in the mansions?)
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bump


62 posted on 01/05/2006 1:57:09 PM PST by txhurl (we hooked 'em - what the hell hooked me last night)
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I agree with others, Russia and China might just want a piece of the action. Times ahead don't look too friendly for this world. I expect the Chruches will soon be filled with those wanting salvation. What a way to get people to come to Church looking for God.
69 posted on 01/05/2006 6:39:38 PM PST by JamesA
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