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Morgan StanleyFires Male StaffersFor Strip-Club Trip
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ^ | January 5, 2006; Page C3 | RANDALL SMITH

Posted on 01/05/2006 9:48:16 PM PST by MRMEAN

NEW YORK -- Morgan Stanley has fired a stock-research analyst and three sales staffers in the Wall Street firm's institutional-stock division after they accompanied one or more clients on a visit to an adult-entertainment club, according to people familiar with the matter.

The firing of the staffers, all men, sent a message that exclusionary, male-only activities won't be tolerated at the firm, according to people familiar with the matter. In mid-2004, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $54 million to settle a gender-discrimination case. As part of the settlement, Morgan Stanley denied wrongdoing but agreed to take additional steps to promote diversity and conduct antidiscrimination training.

One of the complaints in the gender-discrimination case brought by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission was that women in the same institutional-stock division had been improperly excluded from certain client-related activities such as male-only golf outings and strip-club visits.

The EEOC complaint in 2001 followed an individual complaint filed with the EEOC in 1998 by a former institutional-stock saleswoman, Allison Schieffelin, who was fired in 2000. She had charged that gender discrimination caused her not to be promoted to managing director.

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In the recent episode, the four fired employees were all technology-industry specialists who made the strip-club visit during free time while they were attending a three-day Morgan Stanley conference for tech investors in early November at the Arizona Biltmore Resort & Spa in Phoenix.

The firm has a policy against participation in an exclusionary event while on company business, people familiar with the firm said. One rule specifically bars attending adult-entertainment establishments in connection with company business. One or more clients were present at the Arizona establishment, one person familiar with the matter said.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: diversity; eeoc; femininizationalert; fired; morganstanley; singlesex; workplace
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To: durasell

Oh rub it in why don't you.

Tempest Storm at 60? I'd give both my nuts to see that.

Was Don Rickles the following act?


81 posted on 01/06/2006 1:57:07 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: MRMEAN

What about these all-female gyms that I see all over the place? Why are these exclusionary establishments allowed to flourish? What if a couple of ladies from Morgan Stanley went there together.


82 posted on 01/06/2006 1:58:11 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: beaver fever

It was in -- get this -- Reno. There was an unknown "house comic"/MC. I had no idea who she was or what the whole thing was about. Someone had given me ticket. I was by far the youngest guy in the room. The next youngest was probably mid-50s, but there were some guys well into their seventies in the audience. It was a weird scene. Rancher types and business guys.


83 posted on 01/06/2006 2:03:56 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Did you know who she was?

I stumbled on Burlesque history about ten years ago. Tempest was known for plowing big cash into her wardrobe and perfected the classic syncopated bump and grind.

She never went nude. She relied on the tease and timing.

My personal opinion that Marilyn Monroe took here coquette style from Tempest.

That's pure conjecture of course.


84 posted on 01/06/2006 2:11:04 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

As you said you didn't know who she was but you were definitely witness to a moment of American folk history.+


85 posted on 01/06/2006 2:13:41 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

No idea who she was...and only vaguely knew what the hell she was doing because I'd seen a burlesque show at a state fair years before and, of course, the show Gypsy.

What you have now is something altogether different.


86 posted on 01/06/2006 2:15:27 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

I saw a doc a few years ago about Mandrake the Magician who was born in New Westminster/Vancouver.

Part of the doc was devoted to how Vaudville changed into the striptease club scene in the fifties.

They interviewed a couple of the old school strip tease dancers because in his later years Mandrake did the strip tease circuit.

Those old dolls were amazing and at the time of the doc were still working.

Gotta love those gals!!!!!!


87 posted on 01/06/2006 2:25:05 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

A lot of talent came out of those old burlesque houses. That's where Bob Fosse got his start.

But as I said, what you have now is something different. It's very cold and all about money. Strip joints in NYC are very big among a certain type of Wall Streeter.


88 posted on 01/06/2006 2:32:15 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
"That's where Bob Fosse got his start."

You've peaked my curiosity. Sources would be greatly appreciated.

BTW I share your interest in obscure historical facts.
89 posted on 01/06/2006 2:40:52 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

Fosse makes reference to it in his highly biographical All that Jazz film. And there is material on it in the definitive bio of him, All His Jazz. He started playing the burlesque circuit at 15, while still in high school, and you can see it in a number of his dance routines. Nobody knows why his mother let him work the strip joints as a kid.


90 posted on 01/06/2006 3:19:26 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: beaver fever

...contrast that to Eddie Murphy, who used to sneak into Mahattan at night to play the comedy clubs, then fall asleep in school the next day...


91 posted on 01/06/2006 3:23:14 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Thanks for the tip.

I liked All That Jazz even though it was historically inaccurate.

I'll search the bio.

BTW Tempest Storm still rocks. Gypsy Rose just got better publicity.


92 posted on 01/06/2006 3:24:05 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: durasell

Where are you getting this stuff. You're driving me crazy!!!

But in a nice way.


93 posted on 01/06/2006 3:25:56 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

Yeah, but if they were to tell either Storm or Lee's story today they'd both be coked out chicks with some hard knocks behind them heading to the "Valley" for a second career.


94 posted on 01/06/2006 3:26:31 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: beaver fever

I've had far too much free time on my hands during my life...


95 posted on 01/06/2006 3:27:18 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Yeah but the old troupers couldn't take a chance on a fall.

They had to hoof or die and they were too tough to die.

That generation is gone and sorely missed.

Your're coming in loud and clear.


96 posted on 01/06/2006 3:29:41 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: durasell

Nothing wrong with free time if it's usefully spent.


97 posted on 01/06/2006 3:30:54 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: MRMEAN

The firing of the staffers, all men, sent a message that exclusionary, male-only activities won't be tolerated at the firm, <<<<

Well there go the urinals.


98 posted on 01/06/2006 3:38:12 AM PST by tlb
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To: Galveston Grl
They beleive the porn thing is fully accepted and cool now.

Apparently lots of folks on this thread do as well.

99 posted on 01/06/2006 3:38:17 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: durasell

In closing durasell, feel free to ping me when your involved in a tete a tete. I'm intrigued by your point of view and would like to follow your posts.

Best Regards

Beaver Fever


100 posted on 01/06/2006 3:38:24 AM PST by beaver fever
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