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Morgan StanleyFires Male StaffersFor Strip-Club Trip
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ^ | January 5, 2006; Page C3 | RANDALL SMITH

Posted on 01/05/2006 9:48:16 PM PST by MRMEAN

NEW YORK -- Morgan Stanley has fired a stock-research analyst and three sales staffers in the Wall Street firm's institutional-stock division after they accompanied one or more clients on a visit to an adult-entertainment club, according to people familiar with the matter.

The firing of the staffers, all men, sent a message that exclusionary, male-only activities won't be tolerated at the firm, according to people familiar with the matter. In mid-2004, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $54 million to settle a gender-discrimination case. As part of the settlement, Morgan Stanley denied wrongdoing but agreed to take additional steps to promote diversity and conduct antidiscrimination training.

One of the complaints in the gender-discrimination case brought by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission was that women in the same institutional-stock division had been improperly excluded from certain client-related activities such as male-only golf outings and strip-club visits.

The EEOC complaint in 2001 followed an individual complaint filed with the EEOC in 1998 by a former institutional-stock saleswoman, Allison Schieffelin, who was fired in 2000. She had charged that gender discrimination caused her not to be promoted to managing director.

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In the recent episode, the four fired employees were all technology-industry specialists who made the strip-club visit during free time while they were attending a three-day Morgan Stanley conference for tech investors in early November at the Arizona Biltmore Resort & Spa in Phoenix.

The firm has a policy against participation in an exclusionary event while on company business, people familiar with the firm said. One rule specifically bars attending adult-entertainment establishments in connection with company business. One or more clients were present at the Arizona establishment, one person familiar with the matter said.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: diversity; eeoc; femininizationalert; fired; morganstanley; singlesex; workplace
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1 posted on 01/05/2006 9:48:17 PM PST by MRMEAN
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To: MRMEAN
a stock-research analyst and three sales staffers

You'd think these guys know better than to even think about doing stuff like this in this day & age.

2 posted on 01/05/2006 9:49:59 PM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: MRMEAN

Ouuuuuuuuuuuuuch...in the world of sales, a LOT of Purchase Orders are signed after a trip to the strip club.


3 posted on 01/05/2006 9:50:37 PM PST by xrp (My current list of worshippers: MNJohnnie)
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To: MRMEAN

Should have taken the clients to see "Brokeback Mountain". The employees would have gotten promotions. Sheesh.


4 posted on 01/05/2006 9:52:04 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: MRMEAN
exclusionary, male-only activities won't be tolerated at the firm

If I read the story correctly, there were some naked chicks involved, too.

So, no problem.

5 posted on 01/05/2006 9:52:07 PM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: MRMEAN
OK, so let's see some women staffers get fired for a trip to Chippendale's. (...or gay staffers, it doesn't matter in principle.)

Brings to mind the Claire Swire debacle of yesteryear.

Cheers!

6 posted on 01/05/2006 9:52:18 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Lester Moore

They beleive the porn thing is fully accepted and cool now. They are just being cutting edge metrosexuals; following the herd over the cliff and all that.


7 posted on 01/05/2006 9:53:23 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Lester Moore; grey_whiskers; MRMEAN
Oh PUH-LEEZE! If I had a dollar for every time I went out with clients to the Hialeah Center of the Performing Arts (aka Treasure Island) when I was in banking...

Wait a second, I did!

Feminazis have ruined maleness. There is NO SUCH THING as SEXUAL HARASSMENT. If you can't take the heat, GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN WOMEN!

8 posted on 01/05/2006 9:55:07 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: MRMEAN
The firing of the staffers, all men, sent a message that exclusionary, male-only activities won't be tolerated at the firm, according to people familiar with the matter.

They weren't fired for inappropriate, immoral behavior but because they were exclusionary?!?! Oh! Wait! Of course! For liberals being exclusionary IS inappropriate and immoral.

9 posted on 01/05/2006 9:58:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Clemenza
You missed my sarcasm, didn't you?

I am against what the men did on moral grounds, but NOT on PC grounds.

P.S. Try doing a Google on "Claire Swire". It's a hoot.

Cheers!

10 posted on 01/05/2006 9:58:45 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: MRMEAN

"....the four fired employees were all technology-industry specialists who made the strip-club visit during free time while they were attending a three-day Morgan Stanley conference"

PC running amok..


11 posted on 01/05/2006 9:58:57 PM PST by RTINSC (Being Offended is the Natural Consequence of Leaving Your Home...)
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To: little jeremiah

ping


12 posted on 01/05/2006 9:59:07 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MRMEAN

Good grief! Next time invite the femi nazis along.


13 posted on 01/05/2006 9:59:59 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: grey_whiskers

I got your sarcasm. I was referring to the douchebag mentality of such a decision.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 10:01:54 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: MRMEAN

It is an outrage.

What a stupid idea.


15 posted on 01/05/2006 10:02:05 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: JennysCool

hehehehehehehe

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

Yeah, what is the problem here?


16 posted on 01/05/2006 10:03:07 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: MRMEAN; All

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...The man who predicted the 9/11 Attacks 8 years ahead of time,

...proceeded to save almost 3,000 Morgan Stanley Employees...

...by getting them out of the World Trade Center's Tower II...

...before it came crashing down on...


.......him:



9/11 Lifesaving Hero RICK RESCORLA, R.I.P.

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17 posted on 01/05/2006 10:16:21 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: MRMEAN
One of the complaints in the gender-discrimination case brought by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission was that women in the same institutional-stock division had been improperly excluded from certain client-related activities such as male-only golf outings and strip-club visits.

First thing that comes to mind is: learn to golf, sweeties.

Secondly, I've been very successful in sales for 20 years...mostly in male-dominated fields. My clients have always known I won't take them to strip clubs (of course); I spend my time trying to help them make more money, instead.

Who do you think wins in the long run? Perhaps if the ladies would spend more time selling and less time whining, they would be more successful.

18 posted on 01/05/2006 10:16:35 PM PST by garandgal
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To: metmom
"They weren't fired for inappropriate, immoral behavior but because they were exclusionary?!?! Oh! Wait! Of course! For liberals being exclusionary IS inappropriate and immoral."

I had a girlfriend who worked with one of the big five accounting firms in the eighties.

She was articling and every Friday the male articling staff left the office at 3:00 on Friday for the "March to the Arch", (a local strip club). No girls allowed and if a female employee went along she could be expected to be invited to the senior partners office on Monday morning.

Virtually all the male students were frat boys and the march was their way of old boy networking, a way of cutting off the girls from the getting into the partnership career path.

Morality has nothing to do about this story.
19 posted on 01/05/2006 10:16:59 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Clemenza
There is NO SUCH THING as SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

Why is it that when a man talks dirty to a woman, it's sexual harassment, but when a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $4.99 a minute?

Mark

20 posted on 01/05/2006 10:19:18 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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