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Attorney: Despite Dover Ruling, Intelligent Design Won't Go Away
Agape Press ^ | 1/6/06 | Jim Brown

Posted on 01/06/2006 7:47:54 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: roadking95th
The mere fact that, at present, we can not point to a species that evolved from a different species is evidence of ID.
This is simply not true - the study of that occurance is called speciation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
41 posted on 01/06/2006 9:27:35 PM PST by cdgent
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To: GSlob
Just not in a science classroom........

Doesn't matter if it true that logic and fact show forth that there had to be a designer, a lie has precedence. The important thing is that we have a blackout of any mention of the possibility of there being a creator. Atheism is the religion of the public school. A blind dogma that cannot be questioned.

42 posted on 01/06/2006 9:34:04 PM PST by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: roadking95th

If you are to envision species separation process - think of two subspecies [which could by definition interbreed], where due to accumulating differences the hybrids possess less and less fertility, finally becoming sterile [like mule]. Under these conditions interbreeding between the subspecies becomes evolutionary dead end, and thus stops. As soon as it stops, you have two different species. And unless you have complete genomes, tracing such subspecies from scarce fossils is a thankless proposition.


43 posted on 01/06/2006 9:36:56 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Bellflower
Atheism is the religion of the public school. A blind dogma that cannot be questioned.

What did Lenin say.. was it that we will be defeated from within or such?

Wolf
44 posted on 01/06/2006 9:37:12 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Bellflower

"Don't bible at me in public school". Actually it has certain rhythm to it and could be made into a song line. Designer is not logical - for who/what then had designed that designer? In logic it is called "reductio ad infinitum", and such arguments are fellatious.


45 posted on 01/06/2006 9:42:29 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
So when was the last time we had a lizard turn into a bird?
My basic argument comes down to this. Both Evo and ID have merit and need to be discussed in school. Science has many leaps of faiths. We make do with what we have and then modify when new evidence supports such conclusions.
46 posted on 01/06/2006 9:48:12 PM PST by roadking95th
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To: GSlob; Bellflower
The arguments may fail.

What that leaves out is an in in-cognizance, denial, or rejection of that reality's are beyond Man's reasoning mind.

Wolf
47 posted on 01/06/2006 9:53:32 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: jwalsh07

Or do you think it is your intellect that we should fear?


Maybe you should fear your own intellect.


48 posted on 01/06/2006 9:53:42 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: roadking95th

About 100 Myr [million years] ago. But learn to lose with class. Judge Jones took a broom and swept ID out of science class. As a science ID has no merit. As a theology, it might have some. He was not trying to sweep evolution theory into the curricula of seminaries or Sunday schools. To each one's own - render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.


49 posted on 01/06/2006 9:54:39 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

why hasn't it happened since? To each one's own? The public School Sytem is all of ours, but I guess only your viewpoint stands.


50 posted on 01/06/2006 9:57:58 PM PST by roadking95th
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To: roadking95th
Science does not make 'leaps of faith'. It may require some creative thinking to propose answers to questions, but those answers must conform to available evidence and make disprovable predictions. If the predictions are disproved, the theory in its current form is wrong. Period. That's science - no faith required.

I am NOT claiming that faith does not have a place in life. It is perfectly valid to believe that God created the world, but it is also valid to recognize that He appears to have created natural rules for its operation. The scientific method is the formal process for discovering those rules, and is pretty good at it. Countless phenomena were at one time thought to be the direct work of the Creator, and were later proven to be the result of natural processes. Why would science give up now on understanding the world as we've found it? As I said earlier, defaulting to God on anything we find challenging to understand is laziness.

The fact of evolution - that species adapt and sometimes form new species - is true and has been observed. The theory of evolution answers the how and why of that observation. Its not perfect yet, but that's no reason to give up now.

Its certainly no reason to teach our schoolchildren to abandon natural reasoning and logic the first time they don't intuitively understand a subject.
51 posted on 01/06/2006 10:02:26 PM PST by cdgent
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To: GSlob
for who/what then had designed that designer?

In this universe you are right, for there to be something that is nearly infinitely complex and finished in order to properly function, protect itself and reproduce their must be a designer. God is outside of this universe. He lives in a realm that is different from what you see and know. He lives in the realm of eternity not time. He created time. He sees and knows all things from the beginning to the end. You must think and understand that God is "outside of this box" and even created it. He is I AM THAT I AM.

52 posted on 01/06/2006 10:04:01 PM PST by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: Bellflower

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53 posted on 01/06/2006 10:06:12 PM PST by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: Bellflower

Such a realm as you describe is out of this world and thus is meaningless and non-existing for the purposes of science. Let scholastic theologians debate and research it to their hearts' content in their seminaries, madrassas, yeshivas and so on. No objections on my part, and, as far as I am aware, on Judge Jones'.


54 posted on 01/06/2006 10:27:40 PM PST by GSlob
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55 posted on 01/06/2006 10:47:10 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: cdgent
Modern molecular and genetic biology is based on and dependant on evolution.

It isn't dependent on evolution in the least.

56 posted on 01/06/2006 11:15:54 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: cdgent; roadking95th
The idea the something only 'evolves' if it magically changes into a completely different form simply shows how little the public knows about the theory.

It appears from your statement that you do not believe in common descent; or do you? And would tht be common descent or universal common descent?

57 posted on 01/06/2006 11:19:50 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: GSlob
Such a realm as you describe is out of this world and thus is meaningless and non-existing for the purposes of science.

Science deals in cause and effect. You know that there is wind because of the effect it has on mass but you cannot weigh wind or see it. Scientist are trying to determine if there is intelligent life in the universe by detecting radio waves that are in patterns. If they found such waves which they are diligently seeking after they would make an educated, logical assumption that there is intelligent life somewhere else in the universe even if they could not see, measure or study that life. Because there is excessive amounts of design in this universe that cannot be explained except by a designer you can make the intelligent, logical and as close to an irrefutable assumption as science can make that there is an intelligent designer. This obvious fact will have huge impact on much of how science conducts itself and will revolutionize the study of science with the truth. No longer will large amounts of time and money and energy be put into useless studies about the origins of the universe. The "glasses" of the fact that the universe is created by an intelligent designer will revolutionize and rejuvenate science as nothing else could do in ways that right now are beyond our imagination. The understanding of man will opened up.

58 posted on 01/07/2006 12:45:40 AM PST by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: peyton randolph; Coyoteman; Junior

Archival


59 posted on 01/07/2006 3:13:49 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: wagglebee

The solution is to have parents pay for the education of their children. If they want their children to believe that they are descended from rats and cockroaches, fine.

If they can’t afford to pay for their children’s education, they should be given vouchers

BTW all these evolutionist, when they see death approaching, I would like to see how firm their faith is.


60 posted on 01/07/2006 4:18:12 AM PST by liliesgrandpa (The Republican Party simply can't do anything without that critical 100-seat Senate majority.)
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