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Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
cnsnews.com ^ | 1/13/05 | By Marc Morano and Randy Hall

Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz

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To: paltz
I am always amazed at the ones who sing their own praise.
Kinda like christians who tell you how "HOLLY" they are.
The true heros don't need to say a thing. And usually when someone does and a true hero hears it, he or she tries to play it down! ! ! !
Not Murtha, Not skerry, and remember our hero ALGORE, The brave ALGORE, who was in more danger living in DC than he ever was in Nam, due to his SS protection. He took a picture of himself with full gear and was looking right in the barrell of his M-16.
51 posted on 01/13/2006 12:28:58 PM PST by DeaconRed (IF . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: kellynla

We got to choose our battles wisely, IMO.


52 posted on 01/13/2006 12:29:48 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Anti-Bubba182

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53 posted on 01/13/2006 12:30:15 PM PST by Shermy
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To: paltz

"Is this a wise place to go?"

Look, bud, you don't know til you get there. How can you judge the "wisdom" of it ahead of time. The overall principal is this: the truth WILL out. If the guy has fabricated his military record, or if there is sususpicionhe has fabricted it, it should be investigated, and he and anyone else for that matter ought to willing to sign whatever they need to sign to let it happen.


54 posted on 01/13/2006 12:30:50 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: paltz

"Is this a wise place to go?"

Look, bud, you don't know til you get there. How can you judge the "wisdom" of it ahead of time. The overall principal is this: the truth WILL out. If the guy has fabricated his military record, or if there is sususpicionhe has fabricted it, it should be investigated, and he and anyone else for that matter ought to willing to sign whatever they need to sign to let it happen.


55 posted on 01/13/2006 12:30:57 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: paltz
This is a terrible thing to do, even if true. Republicans better distance themselves from this.

Besides, John Murtha is a self-discrediting machine.

But it is interesting that people with QUESTIONABLE Purple Hearts later QUESTION the US Military. Sounds like some pathological envy condition.
56 posted on 01/13/2006 12:31:59 PM PST by msnimje (Senate Democrats ----------- Sound and Furry Signifying INSIGNIFICANCE)
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To: yldstrk

I think you meant that for me, Bud.


57 posted on 01/13/2006 12:32:20 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: jjmcgo

"What is the experience of people on this board who were awarded Purple Hearts? Did the military inform you that you were getting one or did you have to beg, like Kerry and Murtha?"

I got hit the first week I was in Nam.

I didn't know that I had received a PH until a year later when I put on my dress greens.

Semper Fi,
Kelly



58 posted on 01/13/2006 12:32:48 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: paltz
A Cybercast News Service investigation also reveals that one of Murtha's former Democratic congressional colleagues and a fellow decorated Vietnam veteran, Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, alleges that Murtha admitted during an emotional conversation on the floor of the U.S. House in the early 1980s that he did not deserve his Purple Hearts.

Don Bailey was my congressman back then. I met him several times, and he was a good guy and a good representative for the district. I trusted him. He was a Democrat, but a conservative Democrat --- I guess in the early 80s, you could call him a Reagan Democrat.

His own party redistricted him out of his seat in congress because he wouldn't play ball with them.

I don't know about Murtha's war record or if the medals are deserved or not. What I do know is the guy is a corrupt politician who's in it for the money, not for the good of his constituents. I suspect his jumping on the moonbat bandwagon has more to do with protecting himself than with the good of the country or the troops.

Bribery works with guys like Murtha, and after 16 terms in congress getting his palm greased, extortion works even better.

59 posted on 01/13/2006 12:33:24 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: paltz

Murthas' Military Service Awards (From His Web site)




Distinguished Service Medal of the United States Marine Corps, upon his retirement from the Marine Corps Reserves for 37 years of distinguished service to his country, 1990.

Distinguished Service Medal, Pennsylvania's highest honor, 1977.

Meritorious Service Medal, Pennsylvania's second-highest honor, 1976.

Bronze Star with Combat V, 1966.

Purple Heart, 1966.

Purple Heart, second award, 1966.

Vietnamese Cross of Galantry, 1966.

American Spirit Honor Medal of the Marine Corps Recruit Department, 1952.


60 posted on 01/13/2006 12:35:17 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Democrats would rather whine than win)
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To: mlc9852

What's sad is he appears to be a fraud who had to lobby for a purple heart for a bruised knee. Sounds like another Democrat War Hero.


61 posted on 01/13/2006 12:36:04 PM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: bmwcyle; BufordP; BillF

War hero alert


62 posted on 01/13/2006 12:36:27 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Democrats would rather whine than win)
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To: oldleft

I would like to know what "served with honor in Viet Nam" means. If it meant anything than at least a thousand names on the Wall in D.C. do not belong there.


63 posted on 01/13/2006 12:37:34 PM PST by gaspar
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To: NormsRevenge

Well Amen to that and of course we should always respect and honor those who have been awarded PHs but not fraudulently as I believe the case is here. Who would not remember where and how he was wounded and how badly?!? SIGN THE FORM 180 Murtha!!

Service record fraud points to a lack of character, honesty and morals, very important attributes in my books. It also dishonors those who earned those decorations the real way and cheapens those very honors, inexcusable!

There sure are a number of wusses on this thread that are scaredy-cats. Where does one stop when it comes to fraud, dishonesty for personal gain? No wonder we're in the shape that we are.

An excellent read on this very thing is B.G. Burkett's STOLEN VALOR, which addressed this very phenomena. Come on folks, get some guts!


64 posted on 01/13/2006 12:37:52 PM PST by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: paltz

Murtha has shown he can easily be discounted as any kind of "hero". All this he has done to himself, so nothing more needs to be done.


65 posted on 01/13/2006 12:39:10 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: paltz

If his Purple Hearts are in question, it should be brought out. But there's no reason for Republicans to bring it out. The press should dig it out and report the facts. If it's useful in destroying him then so be it. The ends ...


66 posted on 01/13/2006 12:40:21 PM PST by plain talk
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To: paltz

OK, Republicans... Just don't cry about these tactics when you're back in the minority.


67 posted on 01/13/2006 12:41:03 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: paltz

going here is a bad idea. keep the debate in 2006. this can only backfire. people think murtha is nuts already.


68 posted on 01/13/2006 12:41:20 PM PST by philsfan24
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To: paltz

It's just like posting on FR, you better have legit sources.


69 posted on 01/13/2006 12:42:10 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: GSWarrior

Well I don't have a problem exposing these "war heroes" like Kerry and let's not forget the clown from GA in a wheelchair who for decades led people to believe he was WIA "hero" when he was actually injured picking up a grenade.

I ran into one of these "heroes" just last week who was trying to pass himself off as a combat Marine.
Took me just three questions to expose him for the fraud he was.

I've seen too many WIA & KIA Marines who rightly deserved a PH to put up with any nonsense from Murtha, Kerry or any of the rest of 'em!!!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


70 posted on 01/13/2006 12:42:45 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: paltz

I've been waiting for this shoe to drop.

Murtha does not seem like a genuine Marine.


71 posted on 01/13/2006 12:43:53 PM PST by angkor
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To: GSWarrior

No, it's not. It's idiotic.

Truth be told, WE HAVE ALREADY BEAT HIM. His point of view has hurt he D's, not helped.

This is literally the ONLY thing we can do to lose the battle at this point.


72 posted on 01/13/2006 12:44:17 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: paltz
Murtha has thus far refused to release his own military records.

Hmmm. Medals for being wounded and a democrat refuses to release his records.....damn! I'm sorry but that just sounds so familiar


73 posted on 01/13/2006 12:44:49 PM PST by Bommer (Ted Kenndy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: GSWarrior

This is a really bad idea to try this.


74 posted on 01/13/2006 12:46:32 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
MURTHA's record on his website

Distinguished Service Medal of the United States Marine Corps, upon his retirement from the Marine Corps Reserves for 37 years of distinguished service to his country, 1990. Distinguished Service Medal, Pennsylvania's highest honor, 1977. Meritorious Service Medal, Pennsylvania's second-highest honor, 1976. Bronze Star with Combat V, 1966. Purple Heart, 1966. Purple Heart, second award, 1966. Vietnamese Cross of Galantry, 1966. American Spirit Honor Medal of the Marine Corps Recruit Department, 1952.

However in the document provided by his office purportedly from the Marine Corp said: "The records of this Headquarters show that you are entitled to the Purple Heart and a Gold Star in lieu of a second Purple Heart for wounds received in action against insurgent Communist Guerrilla forces on 22 March and 7 May 1967 in the Republic of Vietnam," according to the letter signed by an individual identified only as A. Gardoni. Gardoni's title is not listed on the letter.

Now it would seem that he was awarded medals before he was there...move over skerry...you got company!!

75 posted on 01/13/2006 12:47:26 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: NavVet
I never like to question a war veteran's honesty, but I really think Murtha's age is affecting his reasoning. Maybe forced retirement?
76 posted on 01/13/2006 12:47:37 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: paltz

Trying to find fault in someone's war service is not honorable.


77 posted on 01/13/2006 12:48:35 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: paltz; Laurita; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; bkwells; ...

"I like guys who've never been there, who criticize us who've been there," Murtha said. "I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and sent people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions that what may need to be done."


murtha : Pay attention

You have been hanging around to long with cut and run hanoi kerry

The Brothers and Sisters on The Wall know what you have done.

And before you complain about me, I was there also.

DISMISSED!


78 posted on 01/13/2006 12:49:10 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a Service Man or Woman today?)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

If Murtha is refusing to release his military records then he has something to hide.
Point, Game, Set, Match!


79 posted on 01/13/2006 12:51:15 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: paltz
my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down

In Vietnam, it was considered wrong to ask for, or be awarded, a purple heart for injuries that didn't draw blood or require hospitalization. I got hit on the head by a falling tree during a mission and was medevaced and hospitalized. It never occured to me a purple heart was warranted and no one ever suggested I was even entitled to one. These sleazebags who try to pad their Vietnam service to promote their own careers are as despicable.

80 posted on 01/13/2006 12:51:43 PM PST by Casloy
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bttt


81 posted on 01/13/2006 12:51:55 PM PST by Txsleuth (Thank you to all that donated on the Freepathon...next time more monthlies!!)
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To: paltz
Murtha is a retired marine and was the first Vietnam combat veteran elected to Congress. Since 1967, there have been at least three different accounts of the injuries that purportedly earned Murtha his Purple Hearts. Those accounts also appear to conflict with the limited military records that are available, and Murtha has thus far refused to release his own military records. Instert: Kerry for Murtha, Senate for Congress and youve got a presidential candidate!
82 posted on 01/13/2006 12:54:12 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (OP Spread the Truth....http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535158/posts)
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To: oldleft

Hitler was a message runner between trenches in WW I. He was gassed and badly injured from that. No doubt that contributed to his poor attitude later.


83 posted on 01/13/2006 12:55:30 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Bob
I signed an SF180 and recently received a document dump.

There are a few documents that have no title.

My Proficiency & Conduct sheet has signatures with no titles.

My sick bay sheet shows signatures no titles.

I guess it happens.
85 posted on 01/13/2006 12:56:55 PM PST by stylin19a (God does not apply to your alloted time, the hours spent playing golf.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


86 posted on 01/13/2006 12:57:00 PM PST by Soaring Feather (~www.proudpatriots.org~Supporting Our TROOPS~Check It Out!~A LIST of WHAT the TROOPS NEED.)
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To: bnelson44
Trying to find fault in someone's war service is not honorable.

It is if you were there and know it is in all likelihood a boldfaced lie!!

87 posted on 01/13/2006 12:57:06 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: paltz

http://www.toontracker.com/lyrics/commander%20mcbragg%20lyrics.htm

One night--the Commander shot a Bengal tiger in his pajamas!
I know because he told me so, but how the tigger got in . . .


88 posted on 01/13/2006 12:58:52 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: Shermy

Thanks for the ping.


89 posted on 01/13/2006 1:00:15 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: paltz

I don't care what he did or didn't do. He DID volunteer to fight for the military, he DID go to Vietnam, he WAS in harm's way.

We shouldn't question that service, nor should that service have any bearing on whether his ideas today make ANY sense, which they don't.

This is different than Kerry running for President citing his war record as a reason he is fit for commander-in-chief.

Whether Murtha served in Vietnam or not would have no bearing on whether he knows what he is talking about today.


90 posted on 01/13/2006 1:00:40 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: paltz

I think asking for a medal is kind of lame. Don't they just award them to deserving people. IMO real heros don't ask for medals OR flaunt them.


91 posted on 01/13/2006 1:00:53 PM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: GSWarrior

No it is not.


92 posted on 01/13/2006 1:01:15 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Let it go....

This isn't a battle that gains anyone anything.

Murtha is already in office, and not trying for a higher one.

It's up to the people of his state to decide whether he should represent them. While I sometimes wonder about the wisdom of the people (think of reelecting Ted Kennedy), I don't question their decisions.

Let it go...


93 posted on 01/13/2006 1:02:03 PM PST by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: K-oneTexas

I agree.


94 posted on 01/13/2006 1:03:23 PM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: GSWarrior

This is a dead end with a land mine waiting for anyone who enters.


95 posted on 01/13/2006 1:04:12 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: kellynla
It is absolutely stupid to go after an old man military record. He is shooting himself in the foot every day with his cut and run statements about Iraq, and it is utterly stupid to attack his military service in Vietnam because it will generate sympathy toward him.
96 posted on 01/13/2006 1:04:31 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: lOKKI

Lets get him out of office!!!!!!


97 posted on 01/13/2006 1:05:40 PM PST by GregB (Republican Senators will pay for Anwar,as God as my Witness!!!!!)
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To: paltz

I don’t have a lot of faith in official records for Purple Hearts, unless the original inpatient files can be located. Even the regular medical records might not be much help. Ours were maintained in the company at Vung Tau. We were operating out of Da Nang, I was wounded at Hue and operated on at Phu Bai.
Mine was the result of holes in my face, left arm and right leg from a 60 mm mortar. I carried my evac tag as a souvenir for years, but as it was written in pencil it didn’t last long. Around my 2nd reenlistment my 201 had it listed as wounds to arm and leg. By my retirement it was down to “wound in leg”.


98 posted on 01/13/2006 1:05:46 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Whether Murtha served in Vietnam or not would have no bearing on whether he knows what he is talking about today.

I do believe it has everything to do with what he is talking about today.. If he wasn't holding out his so called war hero status out as a so called expert on war..no one would listen to him. For those on this thread who say we shouldn't go there...I suspect few have been in the military and even fewer in a combat theater. FYI...we take being a phony and collecting medals not earned very seriously...regardless of who, why and when!!

99 posted on 01/13/2006 1:06:12 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: GSWarrior
Is this a wise place to go?

No. Murtha's not running for president. He's in a safe congressional district (for him). Going after every high profile democrat veteran's service is a dumb move that will play in the hands of the democrats. It worked against John Kerry because of his 1971 senate testimony. Murtha has a long congressional record. That's fair game.

100 posted on 01/13/2006 1:06:14 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("What does a guy have to do to get fired around here?" - Darryl Rogers, former Lions Coach)
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