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Iran commissions locally built submarine (PHOTOS)
By: Associated Press ^

Posted on 01/15/2006 4:30:21 AM PST by Khashayar

Iran on Sunday commissioned its second domestically built submarine, a craft that can fire missiles and torpedoes simultaneously, state-run radio reported.

The report said the submarine, named Ghadir, was Iran's second homemade submarine, and was unveiled during the third day of military maneuvers in southern Iran.

Iran's armed forces began their biggest military maneuvers Friday in the Sea of Oman and the Indian Ocean on Iran's territorial waters close to Pakistan and involved submarines, warships, missiles, jet fighters and gunships.

In May, Iran officially launched the production of the locally built submarine, claiming it was a stealth craft.

Its name, Ghadir, is derived from a site in the Arabian Peninsula holy to Shiite Muslims, the overwhelming majority of Iran's 69 million people.

Iran produces the Shahab-3 missile, capable of reaching Israel and U.S. forces stationed in the region. Since 1992, it also has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and a fighter plane.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; armsbuildup; gwot; iran; navy; nuclear; sub; submarine
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To: null and void

I am honored. :)


151 posted on 01/15/2006 11:03:38 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Khashayar
... deadly to aircraft carriers, right?

Only if the carrier was anchored or moored alongside some wharf somewhere.

This thing doesn't look like open ocean.
It's Coastal / shoal water defense. Although it could be bad news for ships transiting the Hormuz straits, tankers especially.

152 posted on 01/15/2006 11:04:14 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: RightWhale
I thought it summarized FR quite well.
153 posted on 01/15/2006 11:04:33 AM PST by null and void (The real experts are kind of busy right now, so we're the substitute experts.)
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To: Khashayar

Is that pop rivets used on the hull???


154 posted on 01/15/2006 11:05:35 AM PST by chasio649
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To: Howlin

Hey Howlin, I know you've been carrying on the good fight!

I had one too and the frogmen. (That dates us doesn't it?)

Good to see ya!


155 posted on 01/15/2006 11:11:01 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Khashayar

It looks like a "collection" vehicle.


156 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:24 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: sure_fine

Re your #45 - I think that that is where they dump in the barrel of baking soda...

Then they have to remember to put the cork back in prior to submergance.


157 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:34 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: BunnySlippers
No, it's for real. This is a joke:


158 posted on 01/15/2006 11:13:08 AM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: Uncle Jaque

Now thats funny.


159 posted on 01/15/2006 11:17:51 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: ASA Vet

Ping


160 posted on 01/15/2006 11:18:44 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: AmericaUnited

Re your #9 - My immediate thought exactly!

The good old CSS HUNLEY; may she rest in peace!

But let's remember, folks; she did manage to sink one US Warship, even though it turned out to be a suicide mission for the Rebel Submariners.

And Jihhadists don't mind embarking on suicide missions on purpose!

Just before Pearl Harbor the Japs tried to sink a US freighter before it got back to Pearl, having just been released from captivity in a Jap harbor by a US task force.

The Japs were utterly furious over losing their American hostages, and vowed revenge.

A couple of mini-subs, essentially long range crew directed torpedoes, followed the ships all the way back, but the Destroyer kept them at bay until they were nearly at Hawaii, when one of them made a desperate attack, whereupon it was sunk by gunfire from the Destroyer.

This incident was denied by the Navy for years, until just recently they found the sub on the bottom just where the Crew said they sunk it, with a 3" hole through the conning tower. It had two live torps stacked one on top of the other with noses still protruding from the bow.

It looked to be about the same size as this Iranian tub, too.


161 posted on 01/15/2006 11:24:53 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: tryon1ja
You people can make jokes and laugh all you want

I agree that the Soviet made Kilo subs are reasonably effective and modern submarines that could pose a significant threat if treated lightly.

However, I'm talking about the indigenous submarines Iran has been building since the mid 1980s based on imported North Korean technology. These subs are almost certainly slow, noisy, and have very limited sensors. Iran also makes torpedoes (supposedly) and several kinds of mines.

I don't think these subs are a "joke" at all. They are, however, relatively unsophisticated and probably don't have the ability to launch anti-ship missiles (such as the Exocet or Silkworm) as suggested in the article. Any indigenous "missile" launched from that pod mounted forward of the sail is going to make the sub far more vulnerable than if Torpedoes or mines are employed.

Sweden has several small submarines. They rejected the use of missiles such as Harpoon for that very reason: Launching the missiles in confined waters (Baltic or Persian Gulf) would quickly give the sub's position away.

162 posted on 01/15/2006 11:26:10 AM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Khashayar

I wonder if there are torpedo tubes under the water line?

Does it even HAVE them...

Or IS the whole thing a Kamakazi torpedo?


163 posted on 01/15/2006 11:27:09 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: A.Hun

Re your #47 - "If you want to worry, worry about their Silkworm surface to ship missiles...."

Agreed; isn't that what took out and nearly sunk a Brit Cruiser during the Faulklands thing?

We might get to see how well our radar-directed minigun anti-missle systems work - if at all... if they remember to even turn them on.

I wonder if the Iranians have the Russian / Chicom "SKVALL" hypercavitating rocket torpedoes? You know, the ones that can travel at nearly the speed of sound underwater?

Range on those things is apparently a little limited, but they sound pretty devistating if they get to ya.

This little mini sub ought to make a light snack for one of our hunter-killer subs in the region, don't you think?


164 posted on 01/15/2006 11:34:16 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: Khashayar

That NK sub looks to be smaller than a Nazi U-boat.

Diesel electric, we assume?


165 posted on 01/15/2006 11:36:53 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: Uncle Jaque

Yes, the Silkworm was used in the Falklands, and it would be the greatest threat to shipping. It is very large and effective. They are also rumored to have some old soviet cruise missiles.

I understand that those torpedoes are very recent, and I highly doubt Russia would let anyone have one for a while.

This little guy would not rate a hunter/killer. All you need is a couple of Sea Stallions and a handful of sonobouys, and that thing is history.

Being a diesel/electric makes it quiet, but very short range. It's size would limit its underwater time. It would be nothing but a coffin (IMO).


166 posted on 01/15/2006 11:43:34 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun

I thought it was an Exocet missile that sunk the British ship.


167 posted on 01/15/2006 11:50:24 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Egberto

Re your #117:

..." kalanishkovs-AK 47 were used to knock down our state-of-the-art Apache helipcopters,..."

Apparently one old guy brought one down with a WW-II era 8MM Mauser bolt-action rifle.


168 posted on 01/15/2006 11:56:44 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: NY Attitude

Maybe....give me a second and I'll find out for sure.


169 posted on 01/15/2006 12:00:50 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

;)


170 posted on 01/15/2006 12:02:01 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Uncle Jaque
The German navy had the Seehund, which they used for near coastal patrol duties, and even some deep ocean duties. It was pretty close in mission design to this Iranian mini-submarine. It carried two men, mounted two 21 inch torpedos externally, and had a range of about 300 miles. Diesel electic propulasion.
171 posted on 01/15/2006 12:02:10 PM PST by judicial meanz (Progressive liberals and Stalinists; tell me exactly where they are different in their beliefs?)
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To: NY Attitude

You are correct, and I stand corrected! Thanks.


172 posted on 01/15/2006 12:02:54 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun

No sweat.


173 posted on 01/15/2006 12:08:58 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Khashayar
A U-Boat is attacked and sunk by a B-24 - A 5-photo sequence
174 posted on 01/15/2006 12:18:21 PM PST by lowbridge (All that is needed for evil to triumph is for "RINOS" to do something)
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To: Khashayar
To the Iranian Naval Commander:
Remember, you can dive the boat faster if you leave the hatches open.
175 posted on 01/15/2006 12:23:25 PM PST by relee
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To: RJL
From its looks, it will ferry about five troops at a time.

Probably not far off – the North Koreans ferried small teams into South Korea and Japan.
176 posted on 01/15/2006 12:54:06 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Khashayar

I find it hard to classify anything that can be carried over open roads on a flatbed semi as a warship. That thing is a joke. It looks just slightly longer than about two of our MK48 torpedoes.

177 posted on 01/15/2006 2:05:00 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party. We recycle dead environmentalists....Thanx to Kenny Blankenship!)
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To: EricT.

The unimproved KILO is 237 feet.


178 posted on 01/15/2006 2:11:52 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
They may have chuckled in the first few seconds after seeing it, but they know the potential for destruction one of these things has.

That thing is gonna make so much racket if it goes over 2 knots that we'll be able to hear it over here in our home bathtubs. It's about as hydrodynamic as a sunken school bus with the doors open and the windows down. It may be a danger to non-combatants with no Sonar, but they better make the first shot count. As far as our warships are concerned, it won't be able to sneak up or even keep up with them in the open ocean.

179 posted on 01/15/2006 2:23:43 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party. We recycle dead environmentalists....Thanx to Kenny Blankenship!)
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To: tryon1ja
I remember eluding the Navy's best back in the 60's.

ASW has made some major leaps since the 60's.

180 posted on 01/15/2006 2:30:09 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party. We recycle dead environmentalists....Thanx to Kenny Blankenship!)
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To: MNJohnnie; Smokin' Joe; penelopesire; Jack Hammer

Guys, the talk about the depth of the water brings something else to mind:

Visibility from above using radar/laser for non-acoustical detection.

These mini subs are good for only one thing: suicide missions. To use on of these to take out a oil tanker would be a waste of submarine.


181 posted on 01/15/2006 2:39:09 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon

"These mini subs are good for only one thing: suicide missions."

Fits the Islamist MO. Thanks for the ping.


182 posted on 01/15/2006 2:43:40 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: andy58-in-nh

LOL! Dufus on another secret trip to Cambodia.


183 posted on 01/15/2006 3:40:53 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
I bet this joke is incredibly noisy and we can 'hear it' from miles away.

Depends. If it's running on batteries, it's probably fairly quite. It won't be going all the fast, so flow noise won't be much of a factor, and electric motors are pretty quiet. However, if it's running on the surface, or snorting its diesels while at periscope depth, it's toast. If we are deaf and can't hear it, the radar in the P-3 and various helicopters will see it. Then they'll kill it.

184 posted on 01/15/2006 5:15:54 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Axlrose
Its going to be diesel/electric so no when its stopped its going to be as quiet as any western nations nuclear submarine. If not quieter.

Moving or not it ain't gonna make a lick of difference. From what I can tell, it looks to be made out of steel. Do you know what happens when sonar hits steel?
185 posted on 01/15/2006 5:33:16 PM PST by YoungHickey
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To: Jack Hammer; Fred Nerks
You don't have to be an "expert." Sooner or later, after the US Navy gets done with it, it will look like this:


186 posted on 01/15/2006 9:58:38 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: PeteB570

Looks like a tiny little toy diesel boat to me :)

One MK 48 will make mincemeat out of it :)


187 posted on 01/16/2006 1:35:39 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: YoungHickey
Moving or not it ain't gonna make a lick of difference. From what I can tell, it looks to be made out of steel. Do you know what happens when sonar hits steel?

Exactly. The Iranians might get in one good hit before we start dropping sonar buoys and make the whole Persian Gulf louder than section A at a Metallica concert. It's not easy for one side to hide a sub if the other side feels no need to hide.

188 posted on 01/16/2006 7:11:17 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Khashayar

"We haven't been this close to water since inspecting the reactor. Next time, we bring soap!"
189 posted on 01/16/2006 7:29:28 PM PST by Libloather (Charter member - VRWC - # EIB-04151982)
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To: Mad_as_heck

Ok this just a thouht..but what if they can mass produce these small limited use subs like the Japanese dis in WWII the use them in the gulf as a "wolf Pack to attach shipping. Also how big are these things? From what I could see they are fairly small..could they be placed in a Cargo Container. Imagine a few of these launched just before it's Mother Ship makes for port. As I said just a thought....


190 posted on 01/17/2006 10:23:53 AM PST by FlatLandBeer
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To: sure_fine

I've seen more powerful subs in a game of Battleship.


191 posted on 01/17/2006 10:29:29 AM PST by VanDeKoik (Have a Merry Tuesday and a Happy Day After Thursday.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Only question is which is better, our solution or their plan? Only combat can determine that for sure

China will be watching closely and taking notes.

192 posted on 01/24/2006 8:19:14 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: Khashayar
Who are they kidding? They bought the Hunley!
193 posted on 01/24/2006 8:20:51 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: AmericaUnited
Ahhh! You beat me.
194 posted on 01/24/2006 8:21:18 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Khashayar

Are we sure that isn't a Japanese mini-sub from WW2 that's been rehabbed???


195 posted on 01/24/2006 8:26:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: sure_fine

Wonder how long they've had these. Look at the picture - - looks pretty rusty around the water's edge.....


196 posted on 01/24/2006 8:28:48 AM PST by duckbutt ( If you let a smile be your umbrella, then most likely your butt will get soaking wet.)
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To: Libloather

Every time this picture is posted, I can't get over how leaky the periscope seals are. It couldn't need more than 30 psi to run that thing up. I wonder if the rest of the sub is built to these same exacting standards. To detect it we could just follow the oil slick.


197 posted on 01/24/2006 9:07:51 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: dglang

It's green camoflage to blend in with the forest......


198 posted on 01/24/2006 9:14:30 AM PST by AmericanDave (More COWBELL....................)
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To: wildcatf4f3

You do realize, do you not, that the people of Iran are NOT the same as the crazy tyrants who are currently oppressing them? You make yourself look pretty foolish, if not uncivilized, when you wish death to all Iranians.


199 posted on 01/24/2006 9:16:18 AM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: Darnright

I wish no such thing. The point is that onceevents are set in motion they develope a momemtum of their own. Most of the people killed in WWII were civilians who had very little to do with the policies that started the war. The Iranian people my be wonderful but they are going along with their currrent govt. They are no where near rising up against the Mullahs because of their own nationalism. This will lead to war. And war doesn't care about individuals, it steamrolls the guilty and innocent equally. So fine distinctions over policy orinterpretations of the nature of societies, these are banal in the face of the violence that ensues. 9-11 came very close to me and my family... therefore I have a vengence that others do not. But fear not that this vengence is hard to come by for once awakened it spreads like wildfire


200 posted on 01/24/2006 6:36:02 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (the friend of my enemy is my enemy)
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