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Jack Murtha's "Fake" Purple Hearts, An Open Letter
Strange Military.com ^ | Jan 12, 2006 | Kelly Anne & Don Bailey

Posted on 01/15/2006 4:00:20 PM PST by armydawg1

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To: MizSterious
Murtha was in the Reserves for a long while, then volunteers to go to Nam in '66-67, gets a few decorations, then gets elected to the Pennsylvania house in the 68 elections.

The timing sounds like he was being groomed for a political career, and a tour in VN was a necessary "ticket punch" for that career. His bio lists him as being a captain in '59. Haven't seen what rank he was in '66, but I don't think he was leading from the front by that point

I would be curious as to his family history

61 posted on 01/15/2006 5:35:50 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: tongue-tied

"Is this what we really want to do?"

Seems like it's running about 8-2
8 for 2 against

That's just an unofficial guess.


62 posted on 01/15/2006 5:36:04 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who scream and howl "Move On Tonk, Get Over It")
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To: Calpernia
I'm not trying to protect anything. I don't believe one's service record is off limits when that person is in or seeking public office. What I'm saying is that maybe it's just a feeling I have but this subject of his service record came up because of an article on CNS and a supposedly public letter to Murtha by a friend of his that dates back to 2002 or thereabouts.

This seems awful 'loose' and questionable material to be basing an investigation on. And without him signing a 180 and releasing his records I don't think anything short of a purposeful challenge to him by his service 'buddies' will carry much, if any weight.

That's why I believe he's more open to the corruption charges and without further evidence believe that would be a preferable route. I would love to see him taken down as much as the next Freeper, I just don't want it to come back and haunt us.

63 posted on 01/15/2006 5:39:17 PM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: armydawg1

Ouch -- I'll bet this was a serious enough hit to "earn" a Purple Heart!

Semper Fi


64 posted on 01/15/2006 5:42:14 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: bcsco

Actually, the CNS article came out AFTER it was brought up on FR on a Code Pink article.

Murtha is the one that keeps bringing up his service record.


65 posted on 01/15/2006 5:45:43 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I wonder if any GOPers would be hurt if that can of worms was open.


66 posted on 01/15/2006 5:47:01 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: armydawg1

Giving a ton of leyway to Murtha (being a fellow US Marine), his diengeuous statements are truly his current ideals and he's justified them to himself in some convoluted form of anti-government rhetorical posturing.

Which brings into question his sanity.

Concurrently, his Purple Hearts coming into focus seems like simple copy cat political attacks left over from sKerry.


67 posted on 01/15/2006 5:48:50 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: brushcop

You know, those words are very similar to the ones that have been uttered, muttered, and screeched by the left against Bush....


68 posted on 01/15/2006 5:52:57 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: darkwing104; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Murtha better put some ice on that.


69 posted on 01/15/2006 5:54:00 PM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
LOL...Rog

"In an official TGYC poll, respondents are saying--by an overwhelming margin--there is no need to pursue this line of questioning. An astounding 80 percent of respondents feel we have no need to further embarrass Mr. Murtha"

We'll see the quotes in tomorrows NYT...quoting a heretofore unknown polling source.
70 posted on 01/15/2006 5:55:48 PM PST by tongue-tied
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To: SauronOfMordor

Murtha was in the Reserves for a long while, then volunteers to go to Nam in '66-67, gets a few decorations, then gets elected to the Pennsylvania house in the 68 elections.

Then over the next 23 years he never receives has a significant deployment or receives another award until his DSM kiss at his retirement in 1990? Hmmmmmmm.......


71 posted on 01/15/2006 5:55:49 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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72 posted on 01/15/2006 5:56:08 PM PST by AZRepublican
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To: bcsco

He was an Intelligence Officer, not a Commanding Officer.

Since a famous incident on Guadalcanal, The Marines have perfered Their intellegence officer chained to a field desk, rock, or some other nonmovable object and not in the field looking for the enemy.

Lt Colonel Frank Goettge earned his Purple Heart the hard way on Guadalcanal, he died for it, leading a small patrol in search of intelligence, and as such has been The example of what a good Intelligence officer should never do, go off and look for the enemy.

Add that to the list of why Muthra's Purple Hearts are suspect, They fly in the face of Marine SOP.



73 posted on 01/15/2006 5:56:25 PM PST by usmcobra (Liberal=progressive...Conservative="Retro?" That's way cooler than being just a Neo-con!)
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To: Calpernia

I agree; he does! All the time! Lets just say we agree on the goal but aren't quite there yet on the method of achieving it.

Have a good one! I have to get some meds in me and some rest or I'll be hurtin' for certain.


74 posted on 01/15/2006 5:58:01 PM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: centurion316
"Anyone who fraudulently claims a military award defames and demeans the courage and sacrifice of those who have received those honors legitimately. They deserve to be exposed and reviled, especially if they are politicians."

Exactly. I'm suprised at those on this thread who would give a free pass to someone who may have received military awards through fraud. They must hold concepts such as honor and integrity in low regard.

75 posted on 01/15/2006 6:01:13 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Peach

I agree with you. He's a deluded old man. Leave him alone.


76 posted on 01/15/2006 6:02:39 PM PST by antceecee (i)
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To: usmcobra
That makes a lot of sense and, believe me, I'm not unsuspecting of Murtha's awards myself. I'm just leery of what I'm reading here on how to go about exposing it. I'd just hate for it to come back and haunt us.

Although I'm new here (since November) I've gained a lot of respect for FR and its people. I'd hate to see anything impugn its fine reputation.

Sorry, but I have to leave it at that. I have to get some meds in me or I'll be in trouble.

Take care!

77 posted on 01/15/2006 6:02:59 PM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: Peach

I agree.

It's on him whether or not he did or did not earn the Purple Hearts. He has to live with that.

But his arguements have been shot down several times, the military and the vets already hate his guts, so to speak.

There is very little, if any, gain to be had in going after him like that. It's in the past when he is giving up a LOT of stuff to be used now.


78 posted on 01/15/2006 6:04:06 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks for the ping,brother.

I've seen most of the threads on this guy Don Bailey.It's compelling, but how can we know it's true?

The way I see it, Murtha is an EX-Marine, he turned his back on the Corps.It's as if he had no military service at all.

But,if we want to demand he sign a SF180 and release his medical records, that's fair game.We have to be prepared to listen to the "How dare you question my patriotism" crap.But so what? We know that drill.

If Murtha is proud of his service,he has nothing to hide.

79 posted on 01/15/2006 6:05:24 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Fido969

There is a matter of truth. If you dont want to know the facts about traitors just read the nation and code pink news and stay out of FR.


80 posted on 01/15/2006 6:07:00 PM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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