Posted on 01/15/2006 4:00:20 PM PST by armydawg1
Jack Murtha's 'Fake' Purple Hearts - An Open Letter
May 5, 2002
Dear Jack,
I’m writing on matters of joint concern. A number of weeks ago I was talking with someone who is a mutual acquaintance and your name came up. It was an unusually frank discussion and I considered it private. I did relate some opinions about you and shared some recollections about experiences with you in Congress. I was, to be honest, critical about how you misled me about ABSCAM where you convinced me you had voluntarily told federal agents about the offer of money to you and I learned later, after I had successfully defeated the ethics charges against you, that you had merely manipulated the system to cooperate with federal agents to avoid prosecution.
I also shared my recollection of when you admitted, back in our corner, that you didn’t earn your purple hearts (you indicated you had small scratch on your cheek that wasn’t even directly related to an APC that ran over a small anti personnel mine that was behind you). The other purple heart you even declined to explain.
At the time you were feeling particularly vulnerable, because it wasn’t too long after you had called me crying and sobbing, thanking me for “saving your life” before the ethics committee. There was no doubt in my mind that you were expressing to me that you did not believe you did anything sufficient to earn the purple heart, and that you didn’t want to be active in my efforts to laud Vietnam Veterans that served with us.
Given what I know about the brave men who served in the Marine Corp., I did not criticize you, but to be honest, I was shocked and disappointed in you personally. We both knew what was at issue, and we both know what happened and that you wanted to avoid the limelight. Later, we ended up having to run for the same seat. It was a good clean race and I admit I knew I couldn’t win, simply on the basis of voter turn out alone. During that time some people came to me with documents indicating you had used influence, after the fact, or had embellished your purple heart awards. I did not respond, and I said nothing. In doing so I may have betrayed my comrades in arms because I knew then what you had told me in the corner of the house - but I had told no one about that and I stood mute. But a few weeks ago my conversation was private and I was not seeking to do you any harm, though it would be ridiculous for me to infer that I have any respect for what you’ve done.
Regardless, shortly thereafter a reporter called me and I was put in a very different position. I could either deny what I said in private conversation, and thus lie, or I could fess up to the truth, or, I could take the cowards way out and stand mute. If I say something, I should either have the courage to back it up, or I shouldn’t open my mouth. Regardless it was too late, and I did not choose to lie. So I admitted to what I had said. However, I later received two calls from two different aides of yours, and later I was called a liar in the press. I am not a liar and I want an apology for the remarks you authorized that I didn’t tell the truth about our conversation. I don’t know how you got yourself awarded the purple hearts, but I know you indicated you didn’t earn them.
By the way. I’m not an ingrate. I deeply appreciate the help you gave me for the last governor’s primary. In fact, out of respect for you, when I realized that the race was going no where, I didn’t even cash the check you sent, (which I kept). Being grateful for your help, I have not sought to hurt you - but I will not betray or exploit the young men who died while fighting, with me, for this country. Never coming forward is one thing - I never have. Lying is another. Coincidentally I just settled an 11-year old law suit with Barbara Hafer where she apologized in writing for campaign defamation and admitted that federal agents (Thornburgh’s political friends) lied to her. I will not accept your falsehoods now. Enough is enough.
You clearly indicated to me in a moment of weakness, that you hadn’t deserved the purple hearts and there was no confusion on that. You may deny that all you wish - but you and I know that that conversation took place. Please apologize now. You may fool a few reporters into believing that merely because you got some perfunctory paperwork made out by a friend, that that means you earned the purple hearts. But even if you were awarded the medals later, there should be affidavits from witnesses. These things should be easy to get - where are they? I bet they don’t exist Jack because you are the one who’s lying. Luckily there’s one easy way to settle all this. Call a press conference. Explain where you were and what you were doing when you got the purple hearts. Explain who was with you and treated your wounds, but most important Jack describe your wounds or the lack thereof, as you did for me, years ago. I am absolutely certain that you won’t do that - because, though you may have manipulated some paperwork that says you were awarded the medals (for political purposes) you can’t produce the witnesses or documents to show any wounds or circumstances under which they occurred.Unless the Marine Corps gives out medals for unsubstantiated non -combat related telltale scratches, procured for use in political campaign - then show me the money Jack - because there should at least be evidence by affidavit, or record of the scratches, that’s what getting a purple heart requires - show me.
You may be able to take advantage of a few Washington reporters who don’t have sufficient experience to understand - but you can’t fool combat veterans of the Vietnam war by hiding behind “Unit” losses - we’re used to those stories. I have my orders describing my combat awards Jack - to back up my DD-214. Where’s your’s? And Jack - don’t ever call me a liar.
Sincerely,
Don Bailey
Submitted by Kelly Anne
My opinion of him being slime is reinforced.
I don't think we should pursue this. Murtha is not running for higher office, he is elderly and he is doing more damage every time he opens his mouth than anything we can do to him.
Also, there was evidence on another thread that the conservatives are being set up in this matter.
Murtha, like Cindy Sheehan, doesn't need his old friends. He's got new ones:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1555707/posts
See post #4.
Oh what atangled web we weave....!
I know all that. My post stands.
Which makes it a 'he said/he said' situation. Without documentary evidence or further corroboration to cast doubt on Murtha's situation, it doesn't appear there is anything further to pursue in this matter at the present time.
Obviously, no one is pursuing it...the letter was written in 2002.
Jack Murtha's "Fake" Purple Hearts, An Open Letter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558666/posts
Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts
PX warriors are frauds at best. Liars.
To allow a liar to hold a position of public trust in the Congress of the United States is a travesty.
Kerry and Murtha. Birds of a feather using embellished military awards to gain political advantage.
Throw the bums out!
But Peach, the man is causing more Purple Hearts to be awarded. I wish it was as simple as "just politics".
There have been a minimum of 3-5 threads per day for the last week about this matter; a lot of people ARE pursuing it.
I'll give you those 16 seconds.
; )
Run away! Run away!
I agree - there is no profit in pursuing this. Just let it fester like the bitter gangrenous sore that it is. No reason for us to jump into the poop-pile.
I didn't see the other thread, but that was my first thought--setup, like the old wife-beating setup from a past election we all remember. We should just let this one go. He may well have served bravely once, but he's a complete disgrace now. Every time he opens his mouth lately, he proves it. The Purple Hearts? They don't matter at this point.
Obviously Murtha went to the gigilo school of faking it!
"Also, there was evidence on another thread that the conservatives are being set up in this matter."
Proof? The Source of this evidence?
I guess you must have missed the overwhelming support that FR Viet Nam Vets had to say about going ahead with this
AND demanding murtha release ALL his military records.
Here's the thread
Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts
Remember this can not hurt Presoident Bush
he's not up for re-election
AND it's good for the troops to see
what this pink code murtha is really up to.
Wow, as a general rule I would say leave Murtha alone as we have enough angst about the Viet Nam War. But if he called this man a liar, and this guy is willing to show his documentation it's kind of like Cooper in High Noon. I guess we will just see how this plays out.
do I really have to say it???
IMO it is simply granting this fool another 15 minutes in the spotlight. He has been thoroughly discredited and nobody cares about him anymore. Let's not make him a martyr because you know how good the dims are at playing that part.
The investigation into Kerry's lies was one thing. The Swift Boat Vets had the right to speak up. Thus far, that is not the case here, and this should be left alone unless his comrades speak up.
I have a really bad taste about this. I don't know whether it is a setup or not, but if it is it can do nothing but embarrass and defame FR.
Do we really need to go this route? Whatever happened to 'don't get in the way of an enemy when he's screwing himself'?
The Los Angeles Times revealed on June 14, 2005 that Murtha, as the top Democrat on House Defense Appropriations, has been funneling tens of millions of taxpayer dollars into KSA Consulting, the lobbying company of his brother, Kit Murtha, and KSA clients.
Last year, Murtha strongarmed the Navy into transferring the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco, which had a contract with a company called Lennar, Inc. to “redevelop” the 500-acre site bringing millions in profits to Lennar. The Senior Vice-President of Lennar is Laurence Pelosi, Democrat House Leader Nancy Pelosi’s stepson.
This year, Murtha inserted several “earmarks” (specifically designated appropriations) into various defence bills giving millions of federal research dollars to companies owned by the children of Democrat Congressman Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania’s 11th district adjoining Murtha’s 12th.
Crooked enough for you? Welcome to Washington. This is the way “business” is conducted here. There are – trust me on this – a significant number of Congressmen and Senators of both parties who have integrity and don’t sell their votes for personal gain to themselves, family, or friends. But they are – trust me on this as well – not in the majority.
I should have mentioned, Jenny, I think it's entirely legitimate to go after Murtha for his association with Code Pink.
Wonder why Kerry isn't Defending Murtha... They're both decorated Vietnam Vets for Peace... < / sarc >
My point was that if done properly it would be his service comrades who would take that issue public; not anyone else. Anything short of that simply invites a deluge of criticism in investigation.
Going after Murtha about his medals is one of the dumbest things we can do.
A lot of vets who recieved purple hearts will tell you that what they did wasn't better than what others did who didn't recieve purple hearts.
This stuff is incredible.
I can scarcely believe that any rational person could live with this much fraud in their life.
I am angry with Murtha for his words and such during the last several weeks, but this shit is unbelievable.
Say it ain't so!
Like I said, what evidence?
murtha should release ALL his military records,
then he and he alone can put it to rest.
Somehow the FR Viet Nam Vets know a rat like murtha,
not some "newspaper"
Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts
AGAIN : This cannot hurt President Bush,
he's not running again.
Check with Karl Rove
he knows the real score on Viet Nam Vets
Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts
Bump
You are right, sir; and you said it very well. This is not just politics. Anyone who fraudulently claims a military award defames and demeans the courage and sacrifice of those who have received those honors legitimately. They deserve to be exposed and reviled, especilly if they are politicians.
It's one thing for vets to go after Murtha; have at him. I don't want to see this connected to conservatives or Republicans.
Calling BG Burkett. Calling BG Burkett.....
BTTT
river rat : Your words of wisdom reposted on this thread
320 posted on 01/14/2006 9:03:55 AM PST by river rat
(You may turn the other cheek,
but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts?page=320#320
The "Move On" folks -- aren't still carrying the memories and obligations to fallen brothers that many of us are still dealing with......
The "Move On" folks -- don't have brother's names on that cold stone Wall on the Mall....
The "Move On" folks -- don't have any vested interest in exposing and destroying the lying traitorous bastards of OUR era....
Yes, I'll "Move On" just as soon at the battle is over, and the bastards are dead or dishonored and we're pissing on their graves...
The country STILL owes the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - an unpayable debt....
THEY were singularly responsible for preventing Kerry from becoming President....
Thank GOD, they were not ready to "Move On"..
Folks - there are STILL a lot of enemies out there that DESERVE our attention -- and we OWE it to the dead that can not speak for themselves or salvage their reputations which these traitorous cowards besmirched..
Semper Fi
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts?page=320#320
320 posted on 01/14/2006 9:03:55 AM PST by river rat
"It's one thing for vets to go after Murtha; have at him. I don't want to see this connected to conservatives or Republicans."
You seem to forget without the Viet Nam Vets
you'd be saying president hanoi kerry
I'll listen to Karl Rove, thanks
Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts
What about blue state denizens? We can't have valid elections when our congress critters are corrupt.
(NJ and PA are very intertwined...see McGreevey's bulletin board scandal)
River Rat's words rank among the best every posted on FR.
Many would be well served to remember that the traitors of "Our Era" are todays leaders, shakers, movers, and funders of the first seditious major political party in the history of this great republic - The Democrat Party
I, for one, will never forget what they did to this country during the sixties and seventies. Unfortunately, their conduct then, pales in comparison to what they are doing now.
And who would those service comrades be...One weekend a month marine reservists that might never have seen Muthra because he was performing an alternate duty while in Washington DC as a congressman?
Or a bunch of grunts that never would have known that he was their intelligence officer or who he was while he was in Viet Nam.
Unlike Kerry who was actually in command of a small unit, Muthra would have been almost invisible to anyone that would be believed if they came forward.
Here he is being challenged by a comrade, a fellow congressman from his state that served with him in the halls of congress, and that former Congressman is also a decorated Viet Nam Veteran.
As long as his bonifides are not challenged, his words that hurt our troops and aid our enemies have weight, and nothing anyone can say on the issue of Iraq will trump his words.
Murtha sure cries a lot, doesn't he?
I said, you vets go after him. Have at it. Which part of that didn't you understand?
The damage he is doing is to our military and to our country. Cut him a break because he is elderly? Not a chance. He knows exactly what he is doing. This is not some dottery old man running off at the mouth. This is a traitor using his position in high office and his military "honors" to bolster his credibility. Let's see how brave he is hiding behind Code Pinko.
Believe me, there's method in my madness. However, I'd still rather see him investigated and arraigned for all the other stuff. There's probably a lot more jail time involved. What would that do to Pelosi's corruption argument?
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