Israel rules Pollard not prisoner of Zion

Science Daily ^ | January 16, 2006

[Howlin]

JERUSALEM, Jan. 16 (UPI) -- Israel's high court ruled Monday against convicted spy Jonathan Pollard's request to be deemed a prisoner of Zion and repatriated from the United States.

Pollard, a civilian U.S. Naval intelligence analyst pleaded guilty to espionage on June 4, 1986, and received a life sentence and a recommendation that he never be paroled.

He was granted Israeli citizenship in 1996 after Israel recognized his status as a spy and pledged to fund his legal expenses, the Jerusalem Post reported.

However, in court the government argued that Pollard cannot be granted the status because Zionist organizations and activities are not banned under U.S. law.

Pollard's wife, Esther, told Army Radio she found it "unbelievable" that Israel would work to release killers in other countries but let Pollard stay in prison.

[poinq]

As long as they can export non Jews, or hold them in camps where they get no vote and can work for nothing. If this doesn't remind you of Mississippi or grape pickers I don't know what does. The only difference here is that Martin Luther King was not there to show them how to fight without violence. I am not for the other side they have lots of issues themselves. And I am not at all ignorant of the situation. Rabin was killed by a hard lined Israeli that did not want peace if it meant giving in, just as Martin Luther King was killed.

[Johnnyboy2000]

"1. Israel existed for many years without US aid."

Was that when they were occupied by the Romans? You have me there. But if you think the modern state of Israel would exist without US aid then you live in a fantasy world.


"2. Israeli citizenship for Pollard is admitting to the spying. It is being honest."


They don't need to admit it. We caught him. If they were being honest they would not be spying on our Navy's technology and passing it on to the Chinese.



"Obviously you know nothing about the incident.
First of all, it was a mistaken identity during war. Secondly, Israel used Mystere jets bought from France."

You are correct that they used French jets. I forgot that detail, but my overall point did not lose its validity. Israel was still rcieving large amounts of aid from the U.S. at the time of the attack on the Liberty. And I know enough about the incident to know that Israeli jets killed 34 U.S. servicemen. The DCI at that time was Richard Helms and he felt it was a deliberate attack.

[ozoneliar]

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up. Israel's enemies hate the US. Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia and a worldwide Caliphate.

Glad to somebody here is talking sense. Lots of the posts here look they were written by Euro-wimp appeaser code pink, Dhimmi-wannabees. The sooner people realize what Islam is all about the better.

[ozoneliar]

As long as they can export non Jews, or hold them in camps where they get no vote and can work for nothing. If this doesn't remind you of Mississippi or grape pickers I don't know what does. The only difference here is that Martin Luther King was not there to show them how to fight without violence. I am not for the other side they have lots of issues themselves. And I am not at all ignorant of the situation. Rabin was killed by a hard lined Israeli that did not want peace if it meant giving in, just as Martin Luther King was killed.

What are smoking? What groups of Non-Jews are exported, simply because of their religon?

Who is not getting to vote? People who are not citzens? Wow! shocker!

I am inclined to believe you know nothing of whats going on there, or you are a Pali yourself.

[poinq]

I am as hard lined as they get now. But I watched the US prop up the banana dictators for a generation before we gave in. This is the same thing. No difference here.

[nickcarraway]

It's all the U.S.' fault!

[rmlew]

Was that when they were occupied by the Romans? You have me there. But if you think the modern state of Israel would exist without US aid then you live in a fantasy world
What aid did Israel get from the US from 1948 until 1968?

If they were being honest they would not be spying on our Navy's technology and passing it on to the Chinese.
1. I'm not sure what you are referring to.
2. Israel should not be helping Red China. Of course the CIA shoulkd not be helping the PLO.

You are correct that they used French jets. I forgot that detail, but my overall point did not lose its validity. Israel was still rcieving large amounts of aid from the U.S. at the time of the attack on the Liberty. And I know enough about the incident to know that Israeli jets killed 34 U.S. servicemen. The DCI at that time was Richard Helms and he felt it was a deliberate attack.
Has Helms ever admitted why the Liberty was in the area after LBJ promised to withdraw all US ships from the area? Has he explained why we refused Israel's request for a Naval Liason, which would have prevented such an incident?
The CIA and NSA covered their @ss at the expense of American sailors just as we did with the Pueblo incident.

[nickcarraway]

You are living in a fantasy world. If Israel didn't exist the U.S. would be hated by these people.

[poinq]

Are you saying the country didn't have non Jews in it before it became Israel. Are you saying there are no camps. Are you saying all the non Jew in Israel and their camps can vote? Could they vote in Gaza?

[nickcarraway]

Did the U.K. spy on us during WWII?

[Alberta's Child]

Did it?

[poinq]

People in England and France hate us to. But they don't Strap themselves to bombs and try to blow us up. Hatred we can handle.

[rmlew]

As long as they can export non Jews, or hold them in camps where they get no vote and can work for nothing. If this doesn't remind you of Mississippi or grape pickers I don't know what does.
Israel treated the ARabs of the disputed territories better than their brethren were treated by their fellow Arabs in LEbanon, Jordan, Egypt...
The standard of living of the "Palestinians" in 1987 was higher than that of Egyptians.
However, Israel should simply have expelled the Arabs rather than kept them.

only difference here is that Martin Luther King was not there to show them how to fight without violence. I am not for the other side they have lots of issues themselves.
Who started with the murders in 1921? I'll give you a hint, it was Jews who were killed.

And I am not at all ignorant of the situation. Rabin was killed by a hard lined Israeli that did not want peace if it meant giving in, just as Martin Luther King was killed.
MLK was shot by a white, not by a black. Also, MLK did not have black blood on his hands and a General Security Services running James Earl Ray's gang.

[rmlew]

I am as hard lined as they get now. But I watched the US prop up the banana dictators for a generation before we gave in. This is the same thing. No difference here.
We must all follow the wishes of the Transnational socialist elite?

[ozoneliar]

Are you saying the country didn't have non Jews in it before it became Israel. Are you saying there are no camps. Are you saying all the non Jew in Israel and their camps can vote? Could they vote in Gaza?

A)What camps?

B)Voting has nothing to do with being jewish, a HUGE amount of Israeli arabs vote. And there population is increasing. In fact by Israels own estimates within 30 years there will be more Arab citzens than Jews. There are several arab MK's(members of Kenesset). So we have a country that is tiny, yet allows people to vote who have no interest other than its own destruction. Try seeing how well a jewsih candidate could vote in an arab country.

C)Your statements are very unclear. If you have something to say, articulate it. As of now you seem to be spouting jumbled together arab propoganda.

[poinq]

England Spied on us for all the same reasons that Israel spies on us now. They don't trust that we really and always will have their best interest at heart. So they will spy on us. They will pay off our politicians. And they will try to fight hard in our everyday discourse about Israel and Judaism.

[ozoneliar]

They will pay off our politicians

So, who paid you off? CAIR? Sure sounds like it.

[Johnnyboy2000]

I see you put loyalty to Israel ahead of loyalty to the US. LBJ may have been a lousy President, but he doesn't have to withdraw from the area because the Israelis said so. The fact is the Liberty was flying a huge US flag yet low-flying Israeli aircraft attacked it.

Your question:
"What aid did Israel get from the US from 1948 until 1968?"

How about a country.

[poinq]

B) I have a huge problems with Arab countries too. The fact that a Jewish person can't live safely in their countries is a horrible thing.

Every country has the obligation to make sure that all its people are safe. And to do what it can to that end. We had a struggle here to try and make that happen. And in America there are still places where it is not safe for some groups. But the vast majority of the land is safe.

Many Arab countries are not safe for women, Jews and several other groups. And they should be taken to task for that in the hardest ways if necessary to protect all their citizens.

[ozoneliar]

B) I have a huge problems with Arab countries too. The fact that a Jewish person can't live safely in their countries is a horrible thing. Every country has the obligation to make sure that all its people are safe. And to do what it can to that end. We had a struggle here to try and make that happen. And in America there are still places where it is not safe for some groups. But the vast majority of the land is safe. Many Arab countries are not safe for women, Jews and several other groups. And they should be taken to task for that in the hardest ways if necessary to protect all their citizens.

ANYBODY can become an Israeli citzen. Israel is really more than fair with Pali's. If America were in a similiar situation. There would be no more Palis. It sickens me to see people take their(pali) side against Israel. Their culture, and actions( Terrorism, sucide bombings, indocrinating their children to hate Jews, and all non Muslims) repulsive.