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Mexican military incursions reported
The Washington Times ^ | January 17, 2006 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 01/17/2006 12:23:17 AM PST by neverdem

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To: r9etb

A rather rude reply especially considering I was agreeing with you that the incursions were most likely not official policy of the Mexican Government. Maybe you should read all of my posts before replying rudely when there is no need.


81 posted on 01/17/2006 2:44:47 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: r9etb
The real question is whether this activity is an official act of war by Mexico; or the result of corruption, and thus non-official.

Actually, the point is even more subtle than you suggest.

Fact: The Mexican army is corrupt to the core.
Fact: The Mexican government knows that the Mexican army is corrupt to the core and does nothing to stop said corruption.
Result: The actions of the Mexican military reflect the actual policy (albeit not the stated policy) of the Mexican government.

If the first two statements above are true, then the Mexican government is complicit and it is an act of war.

82 posted on 01/17/2006 2:45:13 PM PST by Terabitten (If you've abused the public trust, the public should never trust you again. Throw the bums out!)
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To: HiJinx

I could not locate the letter, but here are some links you and others may find interesting.

http://federaldaily.com/federaldaily/archive/2003/Mar/FD032103.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/ola/2001reportz.pdf

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:AM1MYYbeUM8J:www.wola.org/publications/ddhr_mexico_brief_text.htm+Mexican+Military+Incursions+&hl=en

http://www.ndu.edu/library/n2/n015605j.pdf

Newspapers along the border that have reported incidents are Sign on San Diego, El Paso Times, The Arizona Daily Star and Sierra Vista Herald.


83 posted on 01/17/2006 3:00:53 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Tammy8
I like your first link, to the Federal Daily...from 31 March '03...

140 Additional Federal Agents Being Sent To U.S.-Mexico Border

Nearly 140 new federal agents will be assigned to the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona this year to protect against terrorists, a rising flood of illegal immigrants, and drug and alien smugglers. That is the word from Asa Hutchinson, under secretary for border and transportation security at the Department of Homeland Security. Seventy Border Patrol agents and 69 Customs Service inspectors would be assigned to the new Bureau of Customs and Border Protection at ports of entry. The enhanced border effort will include a review of suspected incursions into the United States by Mexican military units and will target drug and alien smugglers who have focused on the Arizona border because of its easy access into the U.S. Last August, U.S. National Park Service ranger Chris Eggle, 28, was killed at the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument on the Arizona border while trying to apprehend two men who had crossed the border into the United States. One of the men fatally shot Mr. Eggle just below his bulletproof vest. Mexican drug lords, backed by corrupt Mexican military officers and police officials, are expected to move tons of marijuana, cocaine and heroin across the Arizona border this year. Authorities said the smugglers would spend more than $500 million in bribes and payoffs to a cadre of Mexican military generals and police officials to ensure delivery.

84 posted on 01/17/2006 3:09:38 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Plug the dike ~ Drain the swamp ~)
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To: HiJinx

70 BP agents doesn't even cover attrition.


85 posted on 01/17/2006 3:11:59 PM PST by Terabitten (If you've abused the public trust, the public should never trust you again. Throw the bums out!)
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To: Terabitten

That was back in '03, when DHS had not yet gotten serious about the Border.

I don't think they are even now, but they are sending more than 70 agents per year now.


86 posted on 01/17/2006 3:13:53 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Plug the dike ~ Drain the swamp ~)
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To: HiJinx
From my friends in USBP, what I'm hearing is that the agents coming out of the BP Academy in Artesia is barely enough to cover attrition, much less add new bodies on the border.

Personally, I think USBP needs a top-to-bottom reorganization to get refocused on their job. IMHO, they've kinda lost their way as an organization.

87 posted on 01/17/2006 3:20:03 PM PST by Terabitten (If you've abused the public trust, the public should never trust you again. Throw the bums out!)
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To: Tammy8
A rather rude reply ...

I apparently misinterpreted your initial post to me. My apologies.

88 posted on 01/17/2006 3:22:08 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Apology accepted, my post to you may not have read as I intended it to.


89 posted on 01/17/2006 3:34:21 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: neverdem

Foreign military "incursions" - sounds like invasion to me.


90 posted on 01/17/2006 3:35:01 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Terabitten

If they've lost their way as an organization (and this is just my opinion) it's because they have neither clear-cut guidance nor a meaningful mission from above. DHS is clearly delinquent regarding border security.

Congressman J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) was on Sean Hannity yesterday and he blasted both DHS and his brethren in the Congress for their inability to see border security as an issue of immediate National Security instead of an incremental political problem.


91 posted on 01/17/2006 4:00:59 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Plug the dike ~ Drain the swamp ~)
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To: Itzlzha
The biggest question of all still remains.

Why does the White House put up with this?

Does Bush believe we won't notice the blatant incongruity between what we are doing in the Middle East with the WoT and what we are doing to protect and defend our own sovereignty vis-a-vis Mexico (i.e., nothing)?

Incredible, simply incredible...

92 posted on 01/17/2006 4:41:15 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: bybybill
Any US President would be fired in a heartbeat if it were true and, as much as the MSM loves Bush, it would be all over the "news".

It is in the news. There have been many articles here on FR. Yesterday Lou Dobbs talked about it. Today John Gibson/FoxNews had a report. As for Bush being "fired in a heartbeat", I don't know what to tell ya.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558985/posts

The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ^ | Sara A. Carter The Mexican military has crossed into the United States 216 times in the past nine years, according to a Department of Homeland Security document and a map of incursions obtained by The Sun's sister newspaper

93 posted on 01/17/2006 4:46:00 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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Lest we forget the Mexican Government's cute little comic book on how to illegally enter our country.
Mexico's blatant disregard for the rule of law is an obvious act of war (Mexican military incursions notwithstanding).
Mexico is an enemy of the US and should be treated as such.


94 posted on 01/17/2006 5:27:01 PM PST by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: bybybill
,i>Given Bushes track record, is it logical that he would let this happen? Finally, if this was true, why would the Rats stay quiet?

My BS meter pegged when I read your post. Bush's track record as a proponent of the open border is there for all to see. So yes, it's logical that he would let this happen. The rats stay quiet because they are in the same camp as President Bush on this issue. You can believe that or not, but it's the truth.

95 posted on 01/17/2006 5:47:30 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: Czar

Good question, have no idea why our government puts up with it, but every US President begining with Carter has pandered to Mexico and put up with what ever Mexico chooses to do. I wish President Bush would secure the border; but for some reason in recent history the US has backed away from anything that annoys the Mexican Gov't.


96 posted on 01/17/2006 5:49:43 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: PLMerite
I bet if it was marked by burned-out Mexican military vehicles they'd get a handle on where the border was real quick.

No doubt at all!

97 posted on 01/17/2006 8:10:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Terabitten

Sounds like the people at USBP are in about the same shape as FEMA. While Brown caught a lot of flak for both performance and attitude, he was already in the process of leaving because of total frustration for lack of support at higher levels. Lets hope the BP doesn't develop the same p&a for the same reason.


98 posted on 01/18/2006 1:01:36 PM PST by gleeaikin (Question Authority)
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How about some pictures? If these incursions can be VISUALLY documented for the mass media, the public should be screaming.


99 posted on 01/18/2006 2:43:14 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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I wonder if a FOIA request for satelite pictures of mexican military incursions in the USA would be productive?


100 posted on 01/18/2006 2:45:40 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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