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A Bridge That Has Nowhere Left to Go (NY's Tappan Zee Bridge)
NY Times ^ | January 17, 2006 | PATRICK McGEEHAN

Posted on 01/17/2006 8:15:41 PM PST by neverdem

The Tappan Zee Bridge, the most critical transportation link across the Hudson River north of New York City, is not even half as old as the Brooklyn Bridge, but its warranty has already expired.

Started on the cheap during the Korean War, the Tappan Zee was deliberately built to last just 50 years. It passed that milestone last month, just days after transportation planners began gathering public advice about how to fix or replace it.

But the decaying, overburdened span's anniversary was more bitter than sweet. Little love has been lost between the Tappan Zee and the tens of thousands of commuters who depend on it. They complain about the poor condition of its roadway and the backups caused by every breakdown and flat tire.

Even before it was built, the bridge's own designers said it would be one of the "ugliest" in the region. Half a century later, the Tappan Zee has not aged gracefully. There are cracks in its concrete columns, its superstructure is rusting away and its deck is nearly worn through.

The New York State Thruway Authority, which owns the 3.1-mile-long bridge carrying the Thruway over the Hudson, has said that the deck, some structural steel, the concrete walkway and electrical systems have "deteriorated significantly." The authority plans to spend more than $100 million next year just to patch the bridge's holes and replace some of its corroded steel, a process sure to make travel even slower for commuters.

Catching daily glimpses of the long cracks in the bridge's superstructure frightens Brett Ruskin, who drives from his home in Monsey across the Tappan Zee to Tarrytown, where he catches a Metro-North train to Grand Central Terminal. "My biggest concern is not so much the traffic, because the big problem with the Tappan Zee Bridge is it's..."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bridge; bridges; building; commuting; construction; rehabilitation; restoration; tappanzee; tappanzeebridge; tunnels; tz; tzb
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To: Roccus

No, but it's gonna be a NYC construction project -- if you get my drift.


41 posted on 01/17/2006 9:17:30 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: neverdem

Sorry, but I don't care. After the slamming AK took because someone came up with a catchy phrase about a "Bridge to Nowhere"....well, ignorance travels REAL fast in the MSM and cyberspace.

No offense to you, neverdem. :)


42 posted on 01/17/2006 9:18:54 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Well, the trick is to get folks in South Dakota to pay for it.


43 posted on 01/17/2006 9:19:09 PM PST by kylaka
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To: durasell

I understand what you're saying, but 'taint necessarily so. The Thruway Auth. is an Albany creation. Albany plays by its own rules. (but I'm not saying they're going to be much better)


44 posted on 01/17/2006 9:21:49 PM PST by Roccus
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To: kylaka

Ya know -- as a New Yorker I get a little tired of being accused of not paying our own way. As it turns out, South Dakota is on life support from the Federal gov't -- no doubt partially financed by New Yorkers.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/62.html


45 posted on 01/17/2006 9:22:43 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Roccus

Truthfully, I forgot that it was a thruway thing in my rush to crack wise. So, you were right and I was wrong. Kudos.

However, I still think it'll probably go over like a NYC construction project. Maybe Albany will do a bond issue.


46 posted on 01/17/2006 9:24:30 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: kylaka

NAH. NY is one of those states that never gets back near what it sends to DC. That's one reason I moved to WV. I wanted to drive on all those beautiful roads I paid for! }:^P


47 posted on 01/17/2006 9:26:14 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Roccus

According to the Tax Foundation West Virginia gets back a $1.52 for every buck it sends to DC. NY gets back 80 cents.


48 posted on 01/17/2006 9:29:16 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

"Maybe Albany will do a bond issue."

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Of course they will.
And I'm sure that these bonds will be priced so that ordinary citizens can purchase them, (/s)


49 posted on 01/17/2006 9:29:51 PM PST by Roccus
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To: durasell

YUP! Now it's my turn.


50 posted on 01/17/2006 9:30:54 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Roccus

YUP! Now it's my turn



Still not worth it...


51 posted on 01/17/2006 9:32:37 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Robert Moses would know how to handle NIMBYs!

Robert Moses is dead. The NIMBYs are louder than ever.

The NYS Thruway Authority does charge a toll to use the Tappan Zee eastbound. I don't think funding should be a problem. But some folks want the bridge to carry a rail line. And this thing has been studied, studied and studied again to the point where every "consultant's" mistress probably has two sets of fine china from Tiffany's. They should just build something already and get it over with.
52 posted on 01/17/2006 9:33:04 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: neverdem

Sorry dweeb. That's what I paid, despite your charts. Have a nice day.


53 posted on 01/17/2006 9:33:10 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie because he didn't bake one.)
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To: durasell

That may be the numbers reported, but I don't believe it for a minute. I can't believe that NY even approaches .80 on the dollar!


54 posted on 01/17/2006 9:33:43 PM PST by Roccus
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To: TBP

Wow, yeah I grew up in Tarrytown as well.. lived in the condos that were right near the TZ bridge.. looked out my window and saw it every day. (Bulldogs were Irvington? lol I dont remember)

As long as I lived in tarrytown I never knew that bridge was going to wear out.

I have not seen the bridge in years.. I live out in NV now.. but it still reminds me of my childhood.


55 posted on 01/17/2006 9:34:32 PM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: durasell

"Still not worth it..."

??????????????????????????


56 posted on 01/17/2006 9:36:27 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Roccus

??????????????????????????


Living in WV to take advantage of nicer roads paid for by New Yorkers. Phrased another way, not living in NYC is not worth it at any price.


57 posted on 01/17/2006 9:37:43 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Sorry dweeb. That's what I paid, despite your charts. Have a nice day.

Someone must have seen you coming.

58 posted on 01/17/2006 9:38:06 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
You could have paid $9 to cross the Verrazano Narrows Bridge (one way, on to Staten Island), or driven something other than a car, but no New York City bridge charges $10 per car to cross. The bridges and tunnels to Jersey charge $6 to get into New York City; the Triborough, Throgs Neck and Whitestone charge $4.50 each way; the Henry Hudson and Rockaway bridges cost $2.25 each way. All other bridges into and within New York City are free.
59 posted on 01/17/2006 9:40:40 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Maybe he tipped the guy in the booth...

(Senseless Pope of Greenwich Village reference)


60 posted on 01/17/2006 9:43:07 PM PST by durasell (!)
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