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Censoring Liberal Professors
newsmax ^ | Friday, Jan. 20, 2006 | Susan Estrich

Posted on 01/20/2006 11:31:22 AM PST by flixxx

Censoring Liberal Professors Susan Estrich Friday, Jan. 20, 2006 It is one of the worst ideas to hit academia: paying students to tape their professors, in the hopes of discouraging their expression of views that one side considers to be "radical."

Most alumni associations aim to improve their alma maters. But the Bruin Alumni Association – an unofficial group, not to be confused with the official UCLA Alumni Association – seems determined to do just the opposite. If it has its way, the classroom will no longer be a place where students and faculty can discuss ideas freely. Shame on them.

The Bruin Alumni Association's new project offers students $100 to tape-record the classes of certain professors who have been designated by the organization. While the organization claims to be concerned about radicals of any stripe, its "Dirty 30" consists entirely of liberals who have signed petitions that are "anti-Bush, anti-Israel, antiwar" or against Bush's judicial appointees.

The program, according to UCLA, violates the official university rules, which bar taping classroom lectures without a professor's permission. But that is the least of it. It violates not only the professor's academic freedom but also that of every student in the classroom. Imagine asking a question, or expressing a point of view, knowing that a fellow student is taking detailed notes and taping the class for purposes of monitoring the slant of everything that is said – in the name of political correctness.

Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Probably.

Is there room at UCLA for an organization to provide mentoring and support for Republican students? Certainly. Could such an organization help conservative students organize campus activities, bring speakers to campus, even provide backup for students so they feel more comfortable speaking up in class? Why not?

But the Bruin Alumni Association doesn't stop there. Its Web site comes complete with the very sort of diatribes it would be the first to condemn if posted by others. It aims to engage in the very sort of content-based review of lecture notes that would violate not only the rules of academic freedom but also the mandates of the First Amendment if posted by any official university group. It would have students restricting the private political activity of faculty members, also in violation of the First Amendment, again in the name of the free exchange of ideas.

Jim Rogan, the former congressman, Clinton prosecutor and UCLA alum, in resigning from the organization in protest, pointed out that he didn't need a Web site to tell him there were plenty of liberals on the UCLA faculty. But he didn't sign up to silence them, either. Hear, hear.

I've been teaching for 25 years, the last 15 at the University of Southern California. In my classrooms, I have only three hard and fast rules. No political correctness. Every point of view is not only welcome but also essential to a full discussion. Nothing said in the classroom leaves the classroom. If you don't agree with something, you argue the other side. I've never had a complaint in 25 years.

I suppose I should be pleased at the self-destructiveness of our competitors down the road. But it pleases me not at all to see freedom threatened from any direction, conservative or liberal.

Balance is not the issue here. Freedom and open discussion are. Professors who can't keep their politics out of the classroom need to be addressed by the administration, not by student and alumni censors. As for alums, those who love their school and care about its students should find a better way of showing it.

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Estrich grates on my like fingernails on a chalkboard (are there any chalkboards even left in school?).

About the only point I agree with is that taping classroom discussions without the knowledge of the professor is inappropriate...though I know that I am being taped for 'noteservice' or other reasons...

I do not see it has a swipe against 'academic freedom'...as usualy she is frothing at the mouth over this.

1 posted on 01/20/2006 11:31:23 AM PST by flixxx
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To: flixxx

I thought it was illegal to do.


2 posted on 01/20/2006 11:32:51 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: flixxx
Is there room at UCLA for an organization to provide mentoring and support for Republican students? Certainly. Could such an organization help conservative students organize campus activities, bring speakers to campus, even provide backup for students so they feel more comfortable speaking up in class? Why not?

She needs to read the works of Mike Adams
4 posted on 01/20/2006 11:35:25 AM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus.)
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To: flixxx

I like the idea. They are supposed to be teaching not brainwashing, eh???


5 posted on 01/20/2006 11:35:33 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: flixxx
....that taping classroom discussions without the knowledge of the professor is inappropriate...

Not when the 'student' is paying for the lecture. Unless the student signs an agreement the liberal professor has had him/her sign, then it's tuff $hit.....they (liberal professors) deserve much more than being singled out....

6 posted on 01/20/2006 11:36:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: flixxx

I agree that it will cause a seriously bad atmosphere in the classroom if students are taping their professors.

On the other hand, a lot of professors have misbehaved so seriously that it's understandable that it's coming to something like this.

Susan Ostrich says, "Professors who can't keep their politics out of the classroom need to be addressed by the administration." Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. In nine cases out of ten, its weak or leftist administrators who are responsible for the mess most of our academic departments have gotten into. Expecting them to clean it up is like expecting Satan to straighten out the problems of war and hunger.

I don't know what to suggest, except that political pressure is needed, from legislatures, alumni, and parents, and probably students as well, before these moonbat professors will change their ways. I wouldn't go into the teaching profession today for precisely these reasons. It's no longer a matter of just getting in there and teaching the truth, as best you can. It's a matter of battling political forces in every direction.


7 posted on 01/20/2006 11:36:46 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: flixxx
Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

They enforce a leftist orthodoxy and anyone not toeing the line, (Achtung! Schnell!) is serverly punished. This goes on in every college across America. It is the campus liberal who squishes free speech and dissent with a totalitarin iron fist.

8 posted on 01/20/2006 11:38:30 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: flixxx

It should be the policy of every college that any student can tape his classes. The student should not be allowed to then sell those tapes. But since the student is paying the tuition, he should be allowed to tape them, even if the prof doesn't like it. In fact, with the coming of podcasts, I think that each college should have a policy where every class is taped by the college, and is kept on file for at least one month. That should persuade some profs from spending 30 minutes of every 90-minute Intro to English class on bashing Bush ans saying that Christianity is stupid. That is what Philip Hu, a teacher of English at Cerritos College in CA does. It is unethical, and if he was properly exposed, perhaps it would be stopped or at least diminished.


9 posted on 01/20/2006 11:39:12 AM PST by DeweyCA
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To: flixxx
It would seem like the professors would be censuring themselves if they "toned down" their lectures due to taping. Not very strong in their convictions are they.

As you pointed out, I think most schools have a no-tape policy because of the cheating services out there. I'd imagine the legality would vary state to state. Most of my professor's didn't care though. It's quite obvious if you were using a cheat service when you ace all your term papers then get a 14 on the final.

Then again I was a comp sci student. While possible, it's a lot harder to but a liberal bias on hash tables and Turing machines ;)
10 posted on 01/20/2006 11:39:37 AM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Gaffer

Students pay for the class (not for the right to tape the session) and some professors agree with recording their lectures, but it cannot be done without the professor's consent.

Furthermore it could really dry up discussions if other students knew they were being recorded...I think this is the wrong way to go about correcting the liberal bias in schools...


11 posted on 01/20/2006 11:40:32 AM PST by flixxx
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To: flixxx
"About the only point I agree with is that taping classroom discussions without the knowledge of the professor is inappropriate"

Why? Why is recoding the lecture with magnetic tape any different than using a carbon pencil and paper? (other than being more accurate?) A good typist could probably use a laptop to transcribe a professor's lecture verbaitum - would that be inappropiate also? Especially since the student is paying thousands of dollars for the information the professor is imparting.

12 posted on 01/20/2006 11:40:38 AM PST by joebuck
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To: flixxx

I've been teaching for 25 years, the last 15 at the University of Southern California. In my classrooms, I have only three hard and fast rules. No political correctness. Every point of view is not only welcome but also essential to a full discussion. Nothing said in the classroom leaves the classroom. If you don't agree with something, you argue the other side. I've never had a COMPLAINT in 25 years.

Only a fool would pay to stay in her class. I bet she hasn't had one conservative student for at least ten years.


13 posted on 01/20/2006 11:40:42 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: flixxx

nobody is censoring them, maybe they are and should be showing self restraint.


14 posted on 01/20/2006 11:40:47 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Gaffer

I dont agree with this. Its a bad idea. I know everybody always says Nazi too much on the internet but this is just like some thing they would of done. If a student doesn't like what the professor is saying, he can just change to another course. Taping the speeches is a lousy way to force them what to say. College is about ideas and not all of them are going to be good. An educated person will see through BS not all of them are stupid enough to get brainwashed.


15 posted on 01/20/2006 11:41:27 AM PST by Habble Gabble
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To: flixxx

If Estrich thinks that universities are places for the free exchange of ideas, she needs a serious reality check.
To my knowledge, no one is advocating "censoring" professors. I think the goal is to just expose them so any student considering taking a course taught by one of them can be forewarned.


16 posted on 01/20/2006 11:41:39 AM PST by oneofmany (ACLU -- Destroying America since 1920)
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To: flixxx
Maybe this will put a STOP to the indoctrination of our kids....having said that...

Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

17 posted on 01/20/2006 11:42:01 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: flixxx

Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Yes.

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Yes--which is why we are the economic powerhouse that we are.


18 posted on 01/20/2006 11:42:02 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: flixxx
...the classroom will no longer be a place where students and faculty can discuss ideas freely.

She clearly has no concept of what happens to conservative students who dare challenge some leftist professor's ideas!

Or she does but she going to lie about it anyway.

19 posted on 01/20/2006 11:43:12 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: wfallen

The recordings are to show the professors 'academic retribution' for the student who expresses conservative opinions - ie. opposite of the professors - and gets poor grades because of that, and not because they merited failure.


20 posted on 01/20/2006 11:44:08 AM PST by aligncare (Watergate killed journalism)
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To: flixxx
If it has its way, the classroom will no longer be a place where students and faculty can discuss ideas freely. Shame on them.

Orwell called this newspeak. Exactly the opposite effect will transpire when students are allowed to voice views that contradict the radical left spewings of these "professors" without fear of recrimination.

If Estrich is screaming about it it's easy to figure out who's ox is being gored.

21 posted on 01/20/2006 11:44:10 AM PST by tx_eggman (Unforgiveness is like eating rat poison and expecting the other person to get sick.)
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To: DeweyCA
It should be the policy of every college that any student can tape his classes. The student should not be allowed to then sell those tapes.


I agree, but let's talk about government-funded schools like UCLA.

Any taxpayer-subsidized forum should be a public forum, so that each classroom is recorded for posterity (webcam, audio, downloadable by any citizen for review.)

If that "stifles discourse", then I advise anyone who feels stifled to get off the government dole.

This would also so a lot to fix our Priam and secondary public schools, so watchdogs can keep an eye on the errors and propaganda of those teachers.
22 posted on 01/20/2006 11:44:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Cicero
I agree that it will cause a seriously bad atmosphere in the classroom if students are taping their professors.

BS. Those colleges are paid by students and tax payers.

23 posted on 01/20/2006 11:45:12 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: wfallen
If what these prof's are saying is wisdom, they'd want their statements publicized

Maybe for the same reason the NY Public School system didn't want parents to see the new history books they were buying?

24 posted on 01/20/2006 11:45:45 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: flixxx

"Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Probably."

So - - companies are providing the money for these Communist propagandist professors to tear apart the United States?

UCLA - - - ACLU - - - -hmmm.


25 posted on 01/20/2006 11:46:12 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: flixxx
Imagine asking a question, or expressing a point of view, knowing that a fellow student is taking detailed notes and taping the class for purposes of monitoring the slant of everything that is said – in the name of political correctness.

I express a lot of points of view in my classroom, and I let students tape everything I say. (As a matter of courtesy, I think a student should ask first.) Why say something to a roomful of people if you wish to hide it?

27 posted on 01/20/2006 11:47:51 AM PST by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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To: Cicero
Susan Ostrich says, "Professors who can't keep their politics out of the classroom need to be addressed by the administration."

And the administrators will be sure to look into the allegations as soon as they are done revising the latest campus speech rules that deem conservative ideas to be hate speech.

28 posted on 01/20/2006 11:47:55 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: flixxx
Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Probably.

Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

29 posted on 01/20/2006 11:49:29 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Cicero

I disagree. Maybe the profs will stay on the subject.


30 posted on 01/20/2006 11:49:59 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: flixxx
LOL!

The liberal tool of word redefinition is a perennial favorite.

Here's a clue: Exposure is not censorship! Look up the words.

31 posted on 01/20/2006 11:51:35 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: flixxx

I think Estrich needs to write another book, go on The Factor, and be completely destroyed again by O'Reilly.


32 posted on 01/20/2006 11:51:47 AM PST by oneofmany (ACLU -- Destroying America since 1920)
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To: flixxx
In my classrooms, I have only three hard and fast rules. No political correctness. Every point of view is not only welcome but also essential to a full discussion. Nothing said in the classroom leaves the classroom. If you don't agree with something, you argue the other side.

She's a lying bitch. She's infamous around USC Law School for being a shrieking, shrewish harpy who never forgets a slight and uses grades as a weapon for payback.

Every point of view welcome? How many law students are going to risk the wrath of the wicked witch of the west when the mega-bucks legal careers are in her hands? Nobody. That's who.

33 posted on 01/20/2006 11:53:16 AM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Cicero

I don't really understand. I taped my lectures during most of college, because I had a severe tendonitis problem, and couldn't take notes. I never had to get "permission".


34 posted on 01/20/2006 11:53:27 AM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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last year it seemed like susan estrich was on fox news a dozen times a day......i found every fox news email address i could find (some just so her fellow employees at the station could have a good laugh) and sent a short, simple email stating every time i saw susan estrich i changed the channel.


35 posted on 01/20/2006 11:54:28 AM PST by jer2911tx (john kerry doesn't like rice, or as he calls it 'weapons of ass destruction')
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To: flixxx

(Professors who can't keep their politics out of the classroom need to be addressed by the administration, not by student and alumni censors. )

Herein lies the problem. The administration has failed miserably in its duty to police the professors. It's time for external pressure. The light of day is the best disinfectant.


36 posted on 01/20/2006 11:54:50 AM PST by winner3000
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To: untenured
I express a lot of points of view in my classroom, and I let students tape everything I say. (As a matter of courtesy, I think a student should ask first.) Why say something to a roomful of people if you wish to hide it?

Sir, iot is so obvious that you are a conservative, and NOT a liberal prof who wants to censor other opinions while protecting your own desire to indoctrinate students. Bravo for you. I hope that you soon get tenured and continue to practice true academic freedom. The Lib profs definitely do NOT think like you.

37 posted on 01/20/2006 11:56:56 AM PST by DeweyCA
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Sorry, Susan. The College Left's Tenured Radical days of immunity are OVER.


38 posted on 01/20/2006 11:58:29 AM PST by pabianice
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taping- Doesn't matter what anyone thinks. There is no penalty for taping, nothing those pucks and do about it. After it is taped, they can broadcast it and no one ever needs to or can find out without a spending a great deal of resources to find out. Those liberal *@&@# better be careful what they say cause we are coming after them!!! I was so pleased that this got so much publicity, like all good memes, it will replicate.
39 posted on 01/20/2006 11:58:58 AM PST by genghis
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To: bahblahbah

I have always taped my professors lectures after portable tape recorders were available.
I then replay the lecture to be sure I did not forget a great point.


40 posted on 01/20/2006 11:59:34 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the back, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: flixxx

I argued my liberal economics professor into a corner. He finally called me a Fox News watching toad and ended the debate.

It was easy too... I pointed out that his take on the free market directly contradicted the text book.


41 posted on 01/20/2006 12:01:09 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: flixxx

I voted for Reagan my senior year in high school. I voted for him again in my senior year in college. I recognized at the time my professors were seasoning their lectures and dialogue with students. I played along. I doubt the impact these prosessors have on student's political beliefs is as significant as some would like to believe. Having said that, the more hysterical a professor gets politically, the less credible they become. Just my .02.


42 posted on 01/20/2006 12:04:05 PM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: flixxx

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/ARticles/000/000/006/120xbklj.asp

If your grade depends on `parroting' back what your screw-ball professor wants to hear, you `parrot' it back. If your appointment to ass't professor requires the same, you do the same.
In 20 or 30 years, you're a flaming liberal full professor demanding the same answers you gave.


43 posted on 01/20/2006 12:05:36 PM PST by tumblindice
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My dear Susan....you are so oblivious to the reality. If a student was not required to take these "diversity classes" then none of this would be necessary. As an undergraduate in Physics and Math, I had to take 30 hours of crap a$$ diversity/humanities that had no direct value to me. I am still a right-wing bigot/sexist/homophobe and that time trying to "liberalize" me was absolutely wasted. It was not an option they were REQUIRED as part of the degree. I would have gladly traded Male/Female communication for Advanced Topics in Field and Wave Electro magnetics. History of Women for Advanced Partial Differential Equations, and on and on.

It's not that these professors are out there it's that their courses are required and there is no other options available. You think your job is to produce "well rounded individuals" as opposed to well educated graduates.

44 posted on 01/20/2006 12:06:06 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: flixxx
Professors who can't keep their politics out of the classroom need to be addressed by the administration, not by student and alumni censors.

We're all for reform, just as long as all power remains in the hands of the Party.

45 posted on 01/20/2006 12:09:25 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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I taped every class I had and it doesn't fall under the "wire-tapping" US Code.

(c) It shall NOT be unlawful under this chapter for a person acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication, where such person is a party to the communication or one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception.

So long as theuse of the taped conversation is for legal purposes, a student is one of the parties to the conversation and taping the classroom discussions for lawful purposes by a party of the conversation is fully legal. In a public institution, everything a professor says is fair game. Private colleges can do whatever they want to not allow it.

46 posted on 01/20/2006 12:14:16 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years....Nec Aspera Terrent!!!)
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To: flixxx

Said an ape as he swung by his tail,
To his offspring both female and male:
'From *your* offspring, my dears,
In a couple of years,
May evolve a professor at Yale.'


47 posted on 01/20/2006 12:17:52 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: DeweyCA

If he is in a big lecture hall sneek in and tape the pig


48 posted on 01/20/2006 12:19:03 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: flixxx
Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably. Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Probably.

Classic demonstration of the old phrase: Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

49 posted on 01/20/2006 12:21:52 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: flixxx
Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

Probably HELL! Undoubtedly!

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Probably.

Two words for you, Susan. Mike Eisner. But oh, wait. Disney figured out that he was running them into the ground and got rid of him.

Bottom line is, the politics of most CEO's don't really matter in the overall scheme of things. The politics of college professors do. They're supposed to teach our youth facts and critical not propaganda and Marxist dogma.

50 posted on 01/20/2006 12:21:52 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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