Posted on 01/24/2006 6:24:51 AM PST by jackbenimble
Drug smuggling is a second problem. Personally I think we need to completely revamp our drug laws to have a hope in hell of ever making a dent in that problem. Right now the entrenched bureacracy has little incentive to solve the problem because their careers are vested in perpetuating it. I think we should start by making drug dealers immediately consume in one sitting all the drugs that are found in their possession.
But beyond the two which you identified, there are other problems too. We are seeing a rise in human trafficking and slavery, particularly for sex. And of course there is the obvious danger of terrorists infiltrating through our borders. Our open borders are the cause of many problems and it is time for them to be sealed.
They're only an hour away at Davis-Monthan. A few mock strafing runs would initiate a Changing of the Underwear ceremony among the Federales.
Maybe both. Or he simply does not like this country.
But isn't that in conflict with the official libertarian stance on borders? Perhaps I am wrong here, but I always thought libertarians did not favor secure and protected borders.
Re your #47 -
"...if it keeps up, that they just might deploy themselves. "
If our military starts doing what needs to be done in SPITE of a do-nothing administration ordering them to look the other way and shut down training so as not to hurt illeagals trapsing around on US military reservations unmolested...
Then someone inside of the beltway is going to become concerned to the point of incontinence.
Because they will know that once order has broken down to that point, then a coup' de tat cannot be far behind.
I'd like to see it happen, frankly, before America is taken completely down by this invasion and the corruption it brings with it.
But you and I both know that it won't happen... at least not until it's way too late.
Re your #49 -
"...they wonder why the 'blogosphere' is on top of things."
So far it is; let's not take it for granted, though.
China has apparently managed to strangle all dissent on it's internet, thanks to the obedient cooperation of Microsoft and Google, who have supplied them with what they need to know in order to locate and root out internet critics, and send them off the the slave-labor "re-education" concentration camps.
Or to the ChiCom involuntary organ-donor program.
Let's not kid ourselves; if the left wasn't getting some benefit out of the internet, it would probably have been shut down some time ago, I opine.
And the UN wants very much to wrest control of the global internet away from the US.
If that happens, (and it might) then Billy Gates et al will be more than happy to sell us out just as they have sold the Chinese who dare yearn for freedom out to their Communist overlords.
In a heartbeat.
So let's enjoy and make the most of this opportunity for free discussion while we can... while it lasts.
Open borders are "part and parcel" of "traditional libertarian philosophy."
http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_4.pdf
"In the first place, libertarian doctrine traditionally declared itself, with no qualifications or reservations, in favor of the princple of complete freedom of emigration and immigration."
http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_5.pdf
"Since when do the Rangers have Strykers, M-1 Abrams, or Helo gunships?" Nope but the national guard dose have those toys. And the governor controlls them.
And if washington gets involved and tries to smack us down let them. Holy Hell will fall upon washington if they try and prevent texas defending its integrity and borders. The base will revolt.
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The Libertarian Party has these insane ideas on immigration, but I was referring to small-l libertarians, those who have a minimal-government/maximum liberty/constitutional absolutionist view of things but are not members of the Libertarian Party. I would estimate that 95% of libertarian freepers would fall into the latter category and recognize border security as a legitimate function of the federal government.
As I pointed out, some of the most anti-libertarian freepers over the years were the biggest wussies on the border issue (though mojave is a notable exception). This could, however, have to do with the fact that many of them could be described as "Bush-bots", and lack critical thinking skills. As you might know, the small-government philosiphy of libertarians is at direct odds with the current administration.
Anyhow, if you would like some examples of the anti-libertarians I mentioned, freepmail me. I'd rather not start a flame war over libertarianism this late in the thread.
Please note the pat tense in the word "declared". Even you would concede that the vast majority of libertarian freepers you disagree with on other topics agree with you on illegal immigration, right?
It's kinda like when we libertarians were allied with you and Kevin Curry on the recall election. That was friggin' surreal at the time.
Pres. George W. Bush, Jan. 11, 2006
Thanks for the explanation. I understand what you're saying about the "borders" difference in views between big "L" and small "l" libertarians. Makes sense.
An assertion isn't a demonstration.
Nope.
Looks like we've got three types of libertarians in play - Libertarians, libertarians and "libertarian freepers". Lemme suggest yet another type - those calling themselves libertarians. I'll submit to you that the majority of those calling themselves that are not, just as most of the radicals calling themselves conservatives are not. IMO, the non-initiation of force incantation dogma philosophy necessarily leads to the open border stance and therefore is the true libertarian position
Even among those merely claiming to be libertarian, the difference between them and Libertarians is not that great. In the last significant poll done on those respective labels, 60% of Libertarians favored open borders as opposed to 50% of self-professed libertarians.
However, I'm willing to concede that a majority of self-professed libertarians of FR might not be openly open borders. I'll make a further concession to not draw that equatiion again.
Maybe it's not all Cheroff's fault.
After all the head of ICE, Julie Myers, has at least two years experience.
The only explaination I can think of is that there are more people than I thought out there who like Bill Maher (who I otherwise find entertaining and funny), call thamselves libertarians when they are out and out leftists. It is extremely frustrating.
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