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To: Howlin
These people are actively -- and in plain view -- working to unseat a sitting president for no other reason than the fact that they don't agree with him.

I agree with you but I don't know what the force is behind it all. This isn't traditional party politics. The only comfort I take is knowing when they are screaming the loudest and making the most outrageous claims they are very close to another defeat or the President is closing in on a victory that sets their agenda back many, many years.

50 posted on 01/25/2006 10:17:42 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy
This isn't traditional party politics.

This isn't something you and I have seen in our lifetimes.

54 posted on 01/25/2006 10:23:29 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Dolphy
I agree with you but I don't know what the force is behind it all. This isn't traditional party politics.

You're right, it's not traditional party politics

As for the force ... Can you say Big Time $$$$ Lobbyist ?

59 posted on 01/25/2006 10:31:52 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Dolphy
Whats going on here is the rats base is demanding the rats filibuster and the old media is trying to give them cover to do it. The rats almost have to filibuster.

I think Dubya had every reason to think Republicans would trust his judgement on the Miers nomination. Whether unintended or because Rove knew the GOP base would need an Alito even after Roberts, Pryor, Brown, and Owen, the Miers nomination made Alito’s confirmation easier. The Administration has done a great job vetting Alito. They picked a likable well-spoken man with a sharp mind. No Anita Hills. No illegal nanny, but how do you get Alito past a rat filibuster? Alito’s strength is his judicial experience. Frame the debate with a candidate the rats can attack as unqualified and come back with Alito. I don’t know if Dubya would ask Miers to be a sacrificial nominee but I have no doubt he could command that loyalty. The rats were beat to the battle by GOP pundits. The fact that Republicans torpedoed Miers helped to suppress the rat base support. They were left with the image and words of Reid gushing over an unqualified stealth conservative. Now when the conservative boogieman ScAlito is at the door, the rats say they won’t filibuster? The rat base is really angry and this will hurt them.

If the rats do not filibuster Alito their base will be angry at the rats and Republicans. Republicans will be energized to support the GOP financially for our success. Rat donations would dry up.

If the rats do filibuster and Republicans nuke it, the rat base will only be angry with Republicans. The treacherous rat filibuster and our successful victory will energize Republicans. Our donor funds are likely to be larger if the rats filibuster and we nuke it, but the rats will lose less base support than if they don’t filibuster. This outcome gives Republicans the additional benefit of making future court appointments easier, however it effectively removes an issue that has been advantageous to us in the past. This would also probably push the rats into full impeachment mode.

If the rats were successful in thwarting Alito’s confirmation it would be a huge crushing blow to Republicans. It would start a flood of money into the rats to continue the fight, and it would result in a NYT 3-inch headline: BUSH LAME DUCK! That is what scares me.

Looking at the possible outcomes I think the rats will see filibuster as politically advantageous in at least the short term and it could pay off big time if they stop Alito.

I heard Sen. Allen say Alito will be confirmed and if we have to nuke a filibuster “Bring it on.” I heard the same thing from Frist a few months ago just before McCain pulled the rug out from under him.

71 posted on 01/25/2006 11:44:15 PM PST by Once-Ler (The rat 06 election platform will be a promise to impeach the President if they win.)
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