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Fact check: Are American cars really that bad?
CNNMoney ^ | January 26, 2006 | Peter Valdes-Dapena

Posted on 01/26/2006 11:13:00 AM PST by Dan Nunn

With all the bad news coming out of Detroit these days, many have a disarmingly simple suggestion: Ford and General Motors should simply build better cars.

"I read that Ford plans to cut about 30 000 jobs in North America alone," one CNNMoney.com reader wrote. "How about building better cars instead?'

How about that?

A perception of poor quality certainly isn't the only reason Ford and GM cars can have trouble in today's market. But it's a factor.

We looked at J.D. Power and Associates Long-term Dependability Surveys to get a sense of where American cars rank in terms of reliability and how much they've improved. That survey measures the number of problems vehicle owners have after 3 years of ownership.

We also checked with Consumer Reports to see what they thought about GM and Ford's performance in terms of reliability.

The answer is that, overall, GM and Ford cars are not that bad. In fact, depending on which survey you believe, they may even have become pretty good.

The problem is that "pretty good" has become "not quite good enough" in a world where quality standards have been raised so high and which many consumers still have bad memories of General Motors and Ford cars that have failed them in the past.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: americancars; automakers; chrysler; detroit; ford; fordmotor; generalmotors; gm
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Maybe there is somebody in the media out there who doesn't fall for the Toyota/Honda lovefest. Not to say that they make bad cars, but Detroit's latest aren't bad anymore either.
1 posted on 01/26/2006 11:13:02 AM PST by Dan Nunn
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To: Dan Nunn

That bad, over priced, greedy salesmen...take your pic. At least the UAW workers are well off.


2 posted on 01/26/2006 11:14:37 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Dan Nunn
I thought, as of a few years ago, that Ford was supposed to be making very good products. Our 2001 Alero has been good, as well (save for some annoyance problems with electrical relays).

OTOH, most of the foreign makes I've owned have been problem children.

But nothing's ever been as good as my old Plymouth Satellite.

3 posted on 01/26/2006 11:16:36 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Dan Nunn

LOL.

Domestic iron doesn't have to be awful to be passed over for really good to great imports.

Clearly, it's relative, and the American cars come up short compared to Japanese products. It's simple, really.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what's in it for CNN to prop up US carmakers...?

Oh, wait. Now I know.

LOL


4 posted on 01/26/2006 11:16:38 AM PST by jra
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To: Dan Nunn

You're right. A lot of the problem isn't the quality of the cars; it's the perception of quality. It's a lot easier to fix quality than it is to change perceptions.


5 posted on 01/26/2006 11:17:19 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
How much does a line UAW Assembly Line worker make?
6 posted on 01/26/2006 11:17:32 AM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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To: Dan Nunn
I have two Toyotas and one classic Chevy, and am glad that I have them.

That said, anyone still using the old line that 'American cars suck' is smoking crack.

Detroit still makes a lot of models that Americans don't want, but they sure as hell make some models that people really do.

If I had the gumption, I'd love to buy one of the new Shelby Cobra Mustangs or an '06 Z06 Corvette.

7 posted on 01/26/2006 11:17:45 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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There really is no contest. Last summer I wanted to replace my 1992 LS-400 with one of those cool looking Chrysler 300s. After one test drive, I was happy to keep my Lexus. The American car was fine, but it felt fragile. Going over speed bumps caused it all kinds of upset. When you are going to plunk down that kind of money for a sedan, it should feel like sitting in my living room. Only Lexus and Mercedes have that feel in their big cars. Big quiet engine, smooth shifting, etc. Neighbor has a Cadillac Northstar which comes close, but no cigar.
8 posted on 01/26/2006 11:19:15 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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This is as stupid as the Chicago Tribune story "Does Patriotism Sell Cars?".

For the last 30 years, the media fawns over Toyota and Honda while ignoring their recalls and defects. The media does not investigate their tactic of "silent recalls" to avoid reporting dangerous defects.

Of course, if an American made car has a defective volume control on the radio, it is reported as if thousands will die as a result of their incompetence.

Finally, the media then starts asking people if American cars are all that bad. They are shocked that the PERCEPTION of quality is poor, even though the truth is that there is little difference between American and Japanese quality.


9 posted on 01/26/2006 11:19:32 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Dan Nunn

After owning several non-American cars the last few years, BMW, Nissan, Isuzu, we bought a 2005 Buick LeSabre in 2004 and have been very happy with it. It performs as advertised, the service is great (customer and maintenance) and best of all my wife loves it. The OnStar and XM radio are a huge plus.


10 posted on 01/26/2006 11:20:28 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Dan Nunn

Yes.


11 posted on 01/26/2006 11:20:35 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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one they offer a comparable 100k mile standard warranty , I might be convinced.


12 posted on 01/26/2006 11:20:57 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: The KG9 Kid
If I had the gumption, I'd love to buy one of the new Shelby Cobra Mustangs or an '06 Z06 Corvette.

Wait for the new Dodge Challenger with the hemi. Amazing.

13 posted on 01/26/2006 11:21:33 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.)
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To: Dallas59

Achrysler Transmission plant here, I believe is around $27/hr. with benefits, the cost to the manufacturer is over $57/hr.


14 posted on 01/26/2006 11:21:35 AM PST by digger48
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To: Dan Nunn

It's all relative. Toyota and Honda make better, more reliable cars for less money.

And, yes, it does take a very long time to live down a bad reputation. For years, Detroit spent more money on advertising and imagery than they did on substance. You can get away with that for a long time, but when a PR empire collapses, it's not easy to rebuild.

I remember when anyone who was successful in life bought a Cadillac, because that was THE luxury car to own. Then Mercedes and others entered the market, and Cadillac got the reputation of being a pimpmobile. So, now they're fighting bad PR instead of riding the wave of good PR.


15 posted on 01/26/2006 11:22:01 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I drove mostly Chevys for 30 years. I had some that were very good and others that were pure junk. My wife and I bought a Hyundai Santa Fe last spring and I admit I was impressed with the fit and finish and especially that the manufacturer was willing to back it with a 100,000 mile warranty. Even the paint is warrantied for 50,000 miles. My last 3 American cars all had warranty issues within 12,000 miles or less and by the end of the manufacturer's 36,000 mile warranty, I was having serious thoughts of trading because of concerns about major repairs in the future.
16 posted on 01/26/2006 11:22:26 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: digger48

*gulp*


17 posted on 01/26/2006 11:23:19 AM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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It doesn't matter one single bit what anybody in the media thinks...this is one issue where the American public has made themselves heard loud and clear with their wallets.

If you don't want to buy Japanese, that's your business. But nobody is going to bully me about how I spend twenty-five thousand of my hard-earned dollars.

When my wife and I were recently faced with the new car buying decision, it wasn't too hard to decide at all. Being the first time we were in a position to buy new, we were exhaustive in our field research, driving many cars both foreign and domestic. Detroit quality may be pretty good, but in that class of autos it is nowhere close to the Japanese. For that matter, interstingly enough, neither were the German products. We both thought that American cars were superior to the Audi's and VW's we looked at.

18 posted on 01/26/2006 11:23:24 AM PST by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: Dan Nunn

I had a Jeep Cherokee that lasted 232,000 miles and 10 years.

Still, most Fords I have rented and/or GMs I have ridden in were rattletraps.

I have a Toyota now and have to stifle a grin everytime I fire it up.


19 posted on 01/26/2006 11:24:21 AM PST by relictele
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I agree it's a question of perception more than reality. Every time one of those union thugs starts bloviating on television about workers rights someone goes out and buys a new Japanese car. Detroit can't clean up its act until the unions clean up theirs. The unions will never go away, thus, US automakers are locked in a death tryst with the unions. Unions are dying and will take down the automakers with them. A classic case of the parasite killing its own host.


20 posted on 01/26/2006 11:25:02 AM PST by Juan Medén
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