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Baker’s relief bill deserves try
Baton Rouge Morning Advocate ^ | 1-29-06 | John LaPlante

Posted on 01/29/2006 6:51:06 AM PST by Uncle Sham

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To: WatchOutForSnakes
I think you just made my point but I'm not sure.

Sigh. Let's see if I can explain it simply enough for you then: Being stupid is NOT the same thing as being corrupt. If you're stupid and corrupt, however, you might just get caught quicker. Stupidity does not cause someone to be corrupt. And it does not excuse corruption.

Got it now?

101 posted on 01/29/2006 10:26:22 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Uncle Sham
Stop the stalling Mr. President, we are not just another photo op for you and your wife.

Do you prefer this photo-op?


This clearly illustrates the stewardship that Louisiana Democrats have given us so far when entrusted with the taxpayers' money.
102 posted on 01/29/2006 10:27:55 AM PST by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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To: Uncle Sham
This plan is not about that.

BS. You want us to pay off your mortgages AND give you a new house.

103 posted on 01/29/2006 10:29:31 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes

I don't live in a flood zone, but have carried flood insurance for years. Sure paid off in 2001 when we had a 100 year rain event. I got all my premiums back, 1000 fold.

I don't have much sympathy for those who could afford flood insurance, but didn't carry it, in an area below sea level.


104 posted on 01/29/2006 10:31:43 AM PST by USN40VET
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To: Jacquerie

So the people too stupid to buy incredibly cheap FEMA flood insurance are supposed to be bailed out?
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The colonel had it right..Louisiana and NO are stuck on stupid.


105 posted on 01/29/2006 10:32:38 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Uncle Sham
Unlike many of the states where these posters live, Louisiana actually has the ability to do just that.

Are you this big of a fool?

You don't think they other 50 states can find something YOU need in Louisiana to jack a tax up on?

Just stupid?

106 posted on 01/29/2006 10:33:48 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
Unless you think N.O. and Louisiana leaders and government are the only ones with ethical problems among our politicians.

I agree with you - lots of government bodies are unethical - that needs to be remedied. It seems to be obvious to you that LA and NO government is corrupt, it is the responsibility of the federal government to hold it and its bad actors to account - not give them access to huge amounts of taxpayer money to waste.

107 posted on 01/29/2006 10:34:14 AM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Uncle Sham

I live in south Louisiana. I disagree that there is a plan. They want the money and then we have to cross our fingers and hope some of it ends up with the people it's supposed to help after all the kickbacks and contractor payments and skimming is complete. La history doesnt give people much confidence in things being done with transparency and integrity....not with many of the same good ole boys and girls still at the trough.

I understand that the problem many homeowners are having is that the homeowners insurance co and flood insurance carrier are fighting over who should pay. If someone has both forms of coverage then they should pro-rate it and get them a check so they can either rebuild or move. There's no excuse for anyone in that area NOT to have flood insurance...even if not required most people in south La. know at any given moment they can become a flood zone, whether recognized by a map or not.

The big question everyone skirts is how the rebuilding sould take place. If they start building more housing projects the people of this state should have a "Baton Rouge gumbo party" on the Mississippi River in protest.


108 posted on 01/29/2006 10:34:17 AM PST by kcmom
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
LA will be fine if the Free Market is allowed to work it's magic, as it has in other spots around our nation destroyed by natural disasters.

Yep. All Bush has to do is exempt NOLA from corporate and income taxes for 5 years. That area will be rebuilt so fast it'll make your head spin.

Government can't hold a candle to the private sector.

109 posted on 01/29/2006 10:36:19 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature - Jim Beam)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
Get rid of Nagin, bet the residents back to rebuild their city or you get nothing.
People who won't work to rebuild their own homes deserve nothing!!!!!
Nagin and his band of thieves and liars must not have any voice about how my money is spent of any ability to profit from my funds.
How many cops were on the books in NO?????
Not one dollar of my white money goes to NO until you get rid of the raciest Nagin and his "black city bigotry."
110 posted on 01/29/2006 10:36:26 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Boanarges
"Where does the buck stop? It always stops at the Federal level."

You are wrong. The buck stops at the State and local level. That's why they have Governors and Mayors. Their responsibility is to "protect" (get this word) and serve their people, not the Feds. And the response by previous threads have it right on. Advice and suggestions were made by the Feds to the Levy Commission who just ignored it. They did get funds from the Feds to reinforce the Levy, but alas, the nuts just ignored it.
111 posted on 01/29/2006 10:38:51 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: mewzilla

I'm sorry. The post where I said "being stupid is the same thing as being corrupt" or that "stupidity causes corruption" must have been deleted from my computer. Could you point me to that post please? Thanks


112 posted on 01/29/2006 10:39:47 AM PST by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Howlin
BS. You want us to pay off your mortgages AND give you a new house.

In the exact same disaster zone and with the exact same disasterous politicians in place.

113 posted on 01/29/2006 10:41:12 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: GregoryFul

That's why I said audit every last dime by independent outside auditors. I encourage it. Have an independent council or group approve the spending. I encourage that also.


114 posted on 01/29/2006 10:41:46 AM PST by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Howlin

The sad thing is that much of New Orleans wasn't included in the Flood Insurance mandated areas....

Now that doesn't change the fact that anyone living behind a levee and below normal sea level would think that it should be advisable to carry. That I don't understand and why major banks would loan money without a policy is beyond me even though it wasn't mandated by the feds....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/16/AR2005101601209.html


115 posted on 01/29/2006 10:42:30 AM PST by deport
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To: dirtboy; Uncle Sham
Wow, I looked at his posts and just a day or so ago he said

The citizens of Louisiana don't deserve what this nation is doing to them.

What this nation is doing to them? I guess he's upset because you and I don't just give him a blank check, huh?

116 posted on 01/29/2006 10:44:09 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Uncle Sham
What does this proposed bill have to do with Nagin?

From the article: "Baker’s bill also is complex and in some ways unprecedented, and who knows how wily politicians, lawyers or speculators might try to abuse it?"

You got clearly corrupt politicians, police and law enforcement people in place - what do you think will happen to the money?

117 posted on 01/29/2006 10:47:07 AM PST by GregoryFul
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To: deport
"Mandated" is the keyword there.

Now that doesn't change the fact that anyone living behind a levee and below normal sea level would think that it should be advisable to carry.

You know why they do that; they BET they wouldn't need it and they figured that if they did, WE would pick up the tab.

And evidently they hope/wish/think we should pick it up with NO QUESTIONS asked.

Mind you, I am posting this as I get ready to write a PERSONAL CHECK to cover the cost of taking out 33 tress on my lot that were damaged from an ICE STORM a couple of years ago. ;-)

118 posted on 01/29/2006 10:47:11 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
That's why I said audit every last dime by independent outside auditors.

After the fact? I don't think so. Why, if they found something wrong and you owed money back to the government, you all would probably just raise the tax on those gas pipelines and there we'd be, paying for YOUR fine.

Let's see the plan first.

119 posted on 01/29/2006 10:49:19 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Uncle Sham
Look, be real.

If it had widespread support in the 'halls of Congress' there'd be more than six cosponsors. And from other states than LA. There'd also be companion Bills in the senate.

This 'gimmee, gimmee - I screwed up and built in a swamp that's also a Hurricane zone Bill' has neither and is going nowhere.

The US taxpayers aren't going to fall for it. The entire state is corrupt - from top to bottom - and 'we' taxpayers and OUR Reps know it.

Want to rebuild, fine, RAISE YOUR TAXES accordingly. If it takes a 150% increase so be it. Can't afford that, move.

120 posted on 01/29/2006 10:53:17 AM PST by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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