Bush Calls For 'Rational, Humane' Guest Worker Program

AP ^ | Feb 1, 2006 | AP

[Travis McGee]

Exactly. It's all about greed and short term profits for the Quislings.

The rest of us will pay and pay and pay for the illegals.

[stephenjohnbanker]

We have been sold down the river.......albeit at a bargain price !

[moehoward]

"By deliberately blurring the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants he tried to imply that all of us who object to his handling of the ILLEGAL immigration issue are just a bunch of immigrant hating xenophobes."

You noticed that too.

[afnamvet]

Is this from Cornyn/Kyl or another source? I would like to read it in its entirety. Thanks in advance.

[investigateworld]

>>>The borders are practically wide open with thousands of illegals coming every day and the farmers can't find workers. That ought to tell you something. They don't want just cheap labor. They want temporary slave labor<<<




Last week, Safeway in Oregon had orange from Australia and Apples from New Zealand cheaper than domestic produce.

But we'll have $10 heads of lettuces if we don't leave our doors open?

[Flavius Josephus]

YEs, the President acts like a leftist when it comes to this issue. Like when he says "jobs Americans won't do" (at illegal slave labor wages).

[processing please hold]

Other than a few token miles to show gullible reporters, they'll never build the fence.

That fence could be our country's salvation, but I'm afraid you're right. It WOULD work so they're against it. Bush has had 5 years to do something about our open borders...5 years and we're still waiting. I would have sworn after 9-11 our borders would have been shut down tighter than brick $hithouse. We're still waiting. *sigh*

[moehoward]

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c109query.html

Select search by number
Enter in s1438

[jackbenimble]

But we'll have $10 heads of lettuces if we don't leave our doors open?

Personally, I would rather import lettuce then cheap labor that I get taxed to subsidize.

I American farmers can't figure out how to run their farms without breaking the law then it is time for them to go out of business and sell their land to somebody who can.

[afnamvet]

Thanks Moe

[Vinnie]

You know who we never see on these immigration threads? -- farmers who have to get their crops harvested and to market before they rot.

Migrant farm workers have been a part of agriculture as far back as I can remember ( into the 50's at least).

I don't see a problem with 'guest workers' as long as it's regulated.

Something along the lines of post #16.

In the meantime stop the illegal immigration.

[Travis McGee]

I just wish he would remember the oath he swore.

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U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"

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Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

[investigateworld]

I tend to agree with that statement. I left the Concrete and Construction biz in Cali as I could not compete with the illegals employers. (among a few other reasons)
But the farmers deal in a free market, if everyone else is employing illegals, that is what you have to do. There is no Market Premium for produce harvested by legals. Organic yes, but not just because the farmer followed the law. A real shame what's happening to this nation.

[mumps]

Of course, one of the problems with "punishing" illegal immigrants is that it costs even more money. With execution, your suggested recommendation, you still have to dispose of the bodies. Even mass graves don't come cheap. And Mexico, from whom we import a considerable amount of oil, might just shut off the valves in protest.

Incarceration? Well, we know how expensive that is -- even if the government decided to use the incarcerated illegals in chain gangs that just happened to be part of construction crews and produce picking crews. And again, Mexico would protest. It could even decide to divert oil to China (nice of us to have built the Panama Canal).

To date, the cheapest solution is repatriation, usually by bus.

The one form of punishment that actually generates income is to fine the businesses that knowingly use illegal labor. But as already discussed on this thread, it's all a game.

[processing please hold]

So do I. He has the authority granted to him to shut this mess down in a heartbeat, but......

[processing please hold]

My husband got out of the construction business in Austin many years back because he couldn't maintain his workers salaries when other companies would drive over to east Austin and gather up illegals in the backs of their trucks for a pittance.

[Travis McGee]

These greedy Quislings would sell their daughters to a Tijuana bordello for a cut of the take, and then claim they thought it was a modeling academy.

[Travis McGee]

If terrorists stroll over a border that is still wide open years after 9-11, Bush should and would be impeached for gross dereliction of his sworn duty.

[Shalom Israel]

...it costs even more money. With execution, your suggested recommendation, you still have to dispose of the bodies.

There's a free-market solution, and it's actually quite simple: privatize all land in the United States. The land-owner has the right to shoot trespassers. After that, whose property is the body? Obviously, the original owner no longer can claim it; therefore unless a will clearly bequeathes it to somebody, it is abandoned property.

The land-owner has first dibs, since its on his land, and can do what he wants with it. Presumably, a market for these raw materials will exist; perhaps a fertilizer or animal-feed company. Soylent green, maybe. Instead of a state-centric disposal problem, we have a free-market solution that produces benefits and generates wealth.

the cheapest solution is repatriation

Don't forget the need for a deterrent. Repatriation after public flogging, maybe. Sure, that's fine with me as well.

[Spiff]

guest worker program that rejects amnesty

There is no such thing. It is a false concept invented and labeled by Karl Rove to sucker the masses into accepting another amnesty scam. It is, in fact, a bald-faced lie. I refuse to drink the Kool-Aid. Seal the border, secure the nation, and then and only then can we talk about who we're going to allow in and for how long we're going to allow them. Until the border is under control, it is all just a bunch of useless talk designed to mislead the nation into accepting another amnesty and dissolution of our national sovereignty.